From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 11:20 am Subject: Tangram Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> > for me the last album to *really* have a full-side piece was Cyclone, 1978 Small correction...I forgot about PERGAMON (1980) of course. Side 2 is definitely only one track, no argument! So that must be the last one...unless I forgot another album. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 416 Re: Tangram Gabe Yedid Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 11:05 am Subject: FAQ contest Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >Since the content of the FAQ was live albums officially released by TD, >I assumed that everyone would naturally understand the _context_ of the >question; i.e: only material performed live (or so stated) and officially >released qualified. That's all very well...but where on the Sheperd's Bush CD does it say 'live', 'recorded live' or any such thing? I would think that the only critera this CD fulfills is that it was a studio release officially released by TD at a concert. To associate this CD with a live album is pretty far fetched, no? :-) Hey Hermes, take it easy, we are just giving you a hard time, cause you gave us a hard time too with that contest! :-) By the way, if YOUR answer to the question 'live albums by TD' includes a *cassette* (mei englisch ist not so goot...ist a cassette considderd ein album?) Then you *compeletely ignored* a very important official live release: THREE PHASE past, present, future which undoubtatly contains live material (as we can all see with our own eyes) and is an official TD release!!! Hilmar (giving you the true and only solution to the contest! :-)) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9103 FAQ contest Hermes Guzman Thu 11/27/1997 3 KB 9188 FAQ contest Hermes Guzman Sun 11/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 11:05 am Subject: Tangram Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> > One of the last albums with full-side pieces, and definitely one of > their best. No, Steve, I have to disagree a little here. Technically, you are correct, but from a compositional point of view, Tangram is not an album with full-side pieces. (has this been discussed already?) In my opinion, the last album to *really* have a full-side piece was Cyclone, 1978 with 'Madrigal Meridian'. Up and including to that point, indeed most TD pieces consisted of *one theme* that was either improvised around, or constantly slightly modified, thus evolving, shifting in different directions...but still staying in the same mood or style. The first exceptions to this rule started occuring around that time e.g. Encore's Monolight first and second parts of this track have nothing to do with each other. Then take Force Majeure...it really is already a sign of things to come...the title track for the first time really consists of 5 or 6 totally different segments. Yes, they are all linked either by cross-fading or by a whirl of noise and effects...but to me it makes no real difference if two musical tunes are separated by silence (as was the case with Exit and onwards) or by noises (as in Force Majeure). Coming back to Tangram...I would say it is an album with 5 tracks (2 on side 1 and 3 on side 2). Logos...also 2 tracks on side 1! Poland...about 2 or 3 pieces per album side (I would need to listen to count them now). Livemiles...also some 3 to 4 tracks per side. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 11:16 am Subject: Courier Service Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >A few days ago I proposed a 'music courier service' consisting of people >who have rare stuff, like original fantapes, boots et cetera >('customers') and people we know and trust who travel a bit on a regular >basis, especially to Europe and back ('couriers'). I've had zero >response from the people who I thought would be all for it Ok, as a person who travels back and forth occasionally (about 3 to 4 times a year) between the US and Europe, I would like to answer that I didn't really understand what you are trying to do. Your idea was that these important items should not be trusted to the mail or a FedEx-type of courier. But could you really avoid that? If I travel from Berlin to Miami via plane, wouldn't that mean that any tape I take would actually have to be entrusted to the mail twice (first from a European city to me in Berlin and then from Miami to the 'end-user' in the US)? So where is the advantage? Or are you talking about a pure personal transfer (i.e. I could then only help people that are located in Miami who happen to be exchanging items with someone in Berlin, and I would have to find the time to meet them in person while I am on a business trip with little time to spare?) Sorry if I misunderstood your plans, but maybe you should 'sell us' on your idea a little...once we see the advantage I am sure you will get more responses. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 12:58 pm Subject: Re: Private Music is no more. Really-From: Vic Rek > >Yes folks, it is real. Private Music is no more. Right now, Windham Hill >owns the catalog. > No wonder they haven't replied to my e-mails recently. Is there a contact at Windham Hill that will be responsive to e-mails regarding the old catalog? Victor > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: D: Tangram Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, Tangram gets the highest rating possible on any scale. Tangram has a very special sound. I don't know exactly which instruments have been used, but I guess you can hear on Tangram the first PPG digital synthesizers, and whatever polyphonic analogue keyboards like Prophet, Oberheim or Roland Jupiter. Lots of sawtooth and experimental sounds with a rich frequency spectrum. There seems to be lot of modulation in the sounds, probably to overcome the effect that all these Prophets, Oberheims and Rolands analogue polyphonic keyboards sound just like a better organ because all the 6 or 8 voices are exactly the same. Just like a string orchestra gets its sound because of all the individual violins (or whatever) sound different. Did somebody mention here that Chris Franke was involved in developing the Jupiter 8? I wonder what he could have contributed, since it is the standard 2VCO-VCF-VCA setup all these keyboard had. The only specialities on it were, I guess, the high-pass filter, and the key-follow at the 2 ADSRs...which is the only effective tool to make the 8 voices of the Jupiters sound different! Moreover, Tangram, seems like a little symphony. No long parts like on Rubycon, Encore, or Madrigal Meridian. Instead, a bunch of pieces nicely arranged together to two big one Vinyl side composition (as already had on Force Majeure). Maybe this can be regarded as the transition to smaller pieces like on Exit. Special remark: no drums (almost) Absolute highlight for me is the beginning of Part II. Wonderful melting sawtooth-ish sounds and chord progression. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Side-Long Tracks Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' To follow-up on Hilmar's discussion of side-long tracks, perhaps the idea can be reversed. Can a side of many tracks actually fit together as a single piece. I would suggest that Song of the Whale parts one and two (separated by silence) go together perfectly to make a single piece of music. Whilst there may be different instrucments used to the fore in various places, I always think there is a single 'feel' to these tracks, which is entirely differetn from what appears on the second 'side'. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, try listening to the two parts on Dream Roots. Apart from the obvious travesty of having ripped out the start and middle of part two, the pieces also seem to lack something (IMHO) sue to their isolation from each other. Or maybe it's just because part two is my favourite all-time piece of music (by anyone, ever!). and the --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 1:01 pm Subject: TD on NPR Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' This morning, at about 7:29 a.m. EST, on NPR's Morning Edition, I heard what I'm sure was a TD track as an interlude between two stories, but I don't know which specific one. Anyone else hear it? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 414 Re: TD on NPR Vic Rek Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: RE: jerome on stratosfear Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I've got Stratosfear on Vinyl, big cover, foldable. And there is >Jerome inside. Is Jerome the baby face on Atem? How old is he? (Now, I mean) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Re: _World Without Rules_--already out of print? Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Mark Filipak : Dave, I've seen this album in cutouts. To the best of _my_ knowledge, : that doesn't happen to albums until they go out of print. What makes : you think WWR is current production? I asked Paul. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 8:48 pm Subject: song order Really-From: Armin Theissen > >To follow-up on Hilmar's discussion of side-long tracks, >perhaps the idea can be reversed. Can a side of many tracks >actually fit together as a single piece. > >I would suggest that Song of the Whale parts one and two >(separated by silence) go together perfectly to make a >single piece of music. Whilst there may be different >instrucments used to the fore in various places, I always >think there is a single 'feel' to these tracks, which is >entirely differetn from what appears on the second 'side'. > >If you don't understand what I'm talking about, try >listening to the two parts on Dream Roots. Apart from the >obvious travesty of having ripped out the start and middle >of part two, the pieces also seem to lack something (IMHO) >sue to their isolation from each other. > >Or maybe it's just because part two is my favourite >all-time piece of music (by anyone, ever!). > Some albums simply have some kind of a concept concerning in what order the 'songs' are put on Vinyl (or CD). For instance 'Stratosfear' and 'Exit'. Putting the pieces together in a different order does not result in the same feel for me. Whereas on 'Lily on the Beach' it does not make any difference. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 441 Re: song order gerryfox Sat 1/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 2:21 pm Subject: Re: Private Music is no more. Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-24 01:20:02 EST, you write: << Windham Hill owns the catalog. The horror....the horror.... >> why do you say that? alot of recent td could easily fall within the realm of this label... tom w np: orb - ultramixes (anxiously awaiting the dream/orb collab....) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 2:36 pm Subject: RECORD STORE REALITIES Really-From: Michael A Jean I can't speak to WWR availablilty, but I WOULD rely on Dave's answer. Having worked in record stores for almost seven years, there is a number of potential ways a current album may end up as a cut-out... Most likely, it was a promotional copy that some greedy employees decided to unload for a price, rather than using it for in store play, or giving it a customer to generate interest in the artist or genre... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 3:01 pm Subject: Re: TD on NPR Really-From: Vic Rek > >This morning, at about 7:29 a.m. EST, on NPR's Morning Edition, I heard >what I'm sure was a TD track as an interlude between two stories, but I >don't know which specific one. Anyone else hear it? > >Scott > Yes, I heard it! Yes at the same exact time because I was pulling into work (I start at 7:30am), and yes I was wondering what TD track it was, but just wasn't completely sure though. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 3:25 pm Subject: Stratosfear Really-From: neato@p... wrote: >_Stratosfear_ (1976) Rating: 4 AS >I can't say that the use of the harmonica at the beginning and >end of '3 am at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee' does >much for me. But the rest of the track is nice, ambient stuff. neato says: i've always felt this to be a homage to italian film composer ennio morricone...makes sense that they were very familiar with morricone considering their own move to soundtrack work cheers all my mistakes were once acts of genius neato@p... com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2693 Re: Stratosfear Tom Richmond Tue 4/15/1997 4 KB 2699 Re: Stratosfear Rainer Rutka Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2824 Re: Stratosfear Mark Jones Sat 4/19/1997 3 KB 2826 Re: Stratosfear Mark Filipak Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB 2834 Re: Stratosfear Mark Jones Sat 4/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 3:23 pm Subject: Re: Tangram Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> > > > > for me the last album to *really* have a full-side piece was Cyclone, > 1978 > > Small correction...I forgot about PERGAMON (1980) of course. Side 2 is > definitely only one track, no argument! So that must be the last > one...unless I forgot another album. > > Hilmar er, what about 'Mojave Plan' from _White Eagle_? Or 'Sphinx Lightining' from _Hyperborea_? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 3:53 pm Subject: Re: D: _Stratosfear_ Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) Marshall Wood wrote: > I love the cover art. [...] > Regardless, the unearthly landscape depicted on > the cover fits perfectly with the music. My favorite TD artwork. > (But where is Jerome?) In the inside of the LP gatefold with the giant 'td', if memory serves. --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 10:37 pm Subject: stratosfear harmonica Really-From: Armin Theissen > >>I can't say that the use of the harmonica at the beginning and >>end of '3 am at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee' does >>much for me. But the rest of the track is nice, ambient stuff. > >neato says: >i've always felt this to be a homage to italian film composer ennio >morricone...makes sense that they were very familiar with morricone >considering their own move to soundtrack work > > as described in the tangents booklet, it was just a joke. The production of Stratosfear was a catastrophe: electronics went kaputt, timepressure, problems with Baumann. To prevent becoming completely fed up or desperate, Froese took this harmonica he had somewhere. The result must have pleased them, and the atmosphere in the studio was o.k. again. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 4:17 pm Subject: Music played at 7:29 on Fri 1/24/96 Really-From: Mark Filipak (Copy sent to the Tangerine Dream List at tadream@c...) Hello, Can you please identify the music played at 7:29 on Friday, Jan 24, 97? I sounded like Tangerine Dream but I didn't immediately recognize the piece. Thanks very much, Mark Filipak Member: KQED From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 2:17 am Subject: Re: D: Tangram Really-From: gg > Did somebody mention here > that Chris Franke was involved in developing the Jupiter 8? > I wonder what he could have contributed, since it is the standard > 2VCO-VCF-VCA setup all these keyboard had. The only specialities on > it were, I guess, the high-pass filter, and the key-follow at the > 2 ADSRs...which is the only effective tool to make the 8 voices > of the Jupiters sound different! > The sound generation architecture is not the only thing has to be developed. There are a lot of other factorsfor example the user interface. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: Re: RE: jerome on stratosfear Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:13:00 -0500 tadream mailing list wrote: >Is Jerome the baby face on Atem? How old is he? (Now, I mean) > >Scott > I don't know about whose baby face that is on Atem, but Jerome should be 27 this year. Considering this, it might well be him... Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 430 Re: jerome on stratosfear Thomas Fanger Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 12:28 am Subject: jerome Really-From: Armin Theissen > >>Is Jerome the baby face on Atem? How old is he? (Now, I mean) >> >>Scott >> > >I don't know about whose baby face that is on Atem, but Jerome should >be 27 this year. Considering this, it might well be him... > >Dennis > after all, they look very similar, don't they? ;) (never mind, Jerome) Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 12:24 am Subject: keyboards Really-From: Armin Theissen > >> Did somebody mention here >> that Chris Franke was involved in developing the Jupiter 8? >> I wonder what he could have contributed, since it is the standard >> 2VCO-VCF-VCA setup all these keyboard had. The only specialities on >> it were, I guess, the high-pass filter, and the key-follow at the >> 2 ADSRs...which is the only effective tool to make the 8 voices >> of the Jupiters sound different! >> > >The sound generation architecture is not the only thing has to be >developed. There are a lot of other factorsfor example the user >interface. > >GG > then I'm wondering what was new at the user interface of the JP8. Isn't it the same as the Prophet and Oberheim? Well, who cares. The really new and exciting thing TD was involved where the PPG keyboards. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 427 Re: keyboards Pixel Fri 1/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: Re: pink year remixes Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Armin Theissen > > > > > >On the other hand - speaking of 5 cd sets - I liked the re-masters on > >Dream roots of tracks like Journey through a burning brain,etc > > > >I would love to see all first four td cd's - re-arranged with modern > >technology - (but I don't think this will happen.) I think they would sound > >just fantastic. > > > >Florin. > > > > > > matter of taste. I think that the 're-arranged' pink years stuff > does not work at all. You cannot speak of rearrangement anyway, since > all Froese did was playing some boring chords with some 'spherical' > sound while the original was running in the background. And it does > not work, musically. This is like eating something salty next to > something sweet. It does not mix. I agree. It's just some boring chords. It doesn't mix with the original tracks. I don't like Tangents and I won't ever buy it. The only interesting things on this CD-set are a few bonus-tracks. I borrowed them from a friend and have copied them. As for the rest, well 'they' can throw it away. > I assume that these pink years remixes are just about to make them > sell better. Todays listeners are not brave enough to take the > effort, or better: to take the *time* to dive into something > like Zeit. Hhmm, I listen to the old ones once in a while but to say that I really like them. > Armin Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 5:14 pm Subject: Re: Tangram Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Paul Edwards > Oh, the other thing is that I would have no hesitation in recommending > Tangram to a fan of the 'old' TD, a fan of the 'new' TD, or a non fan of > TD. It's about the only TD album that I own that can be recommended in > this way (I've found that Logos is too long for some people, Force Majeure > scares people, and a lot of people simply don't 'get' Ricochet, in the same > way that a lot of people don't 'get' Oldfield's AMAROK). I completely agree with you and for Oldfield, this is one of his best works. I really loved Amarok. Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 1:40 am Subject: tangentizing Really-From: Armin Theissen > >I agree. It's just some boring chords. It doesn't mix with the original >tracks. I don't like Tangents and I won't ever buy it. The only interesting >things on this CD-set are a few bonus-tracks. I borrowed them from a >friend and have copied them. As for the rest, well 'they' can throw it >away. > > Well, there are some good examples of re-arranging. I like the piano sounding thing added to the bassline in the tangentized 'Mojave Plan' (last third). Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21734 tangentizing Ken Mitchell Fri 4/7/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 4:03 am Subject: Re: keyboards Really-From: Pixel > then I'm wondering what was new at the user interface of the JP8. > Isn't it the same as the Prophet and Oberheim? No. JP8 had a brand new and then-sophisticated digital control method for operation: storing programs, splitting the keyboard and so on. These sound simply now but then it was a real state-of-the-art and different manufacturers used different approaches. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 7:21 pm Subject: D: Tangram Really-From: 'Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas' Hello all! Set 1 is the reason why I´m here. I listened this a while ago (1986 I guess), and was the right entrance to Tangerine Dream music. I remember a friend of mine copied a few discs and gave me two tapes: one was Tangram/ Rubycon and the other Thief/ Flashpoint. Set 1 is truly progressive electronic. The climax of this part is simply one of the best passages I´ve ever listened (in terms of musical tension). And the second part, more abstract, even cold and far and diverse from the first side, is the perfect balance. I consider Tangram the beggining of the TD peak era (Schmoelling era). So, 5AS!!!!!!!!!!!! Hasta la vista! Carlos Alberto Martinez Monterrey, Mexico work.......... cmartine@e... home.......... carmarti@i... oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 11:12 pm Subject: Re: TD items for sale Really-From: Stephan Bischoff Hi Peter, I'm interested in several boots from your list. >Title DD On Label Quali $ DM >NL UK >In den garten pharaos 92 CDB Stratosfea 21 30 >35 11 >Dreaming on Danforth Avenue Toronto 92 92 CD Blue Moon 21 30 >35 11 >Antarktis ( Berlin 1987 ) 92 CDB Pinguin 21 30 >35 11 >Singet,.Den der gesang... pict.disc 93 LPB M/M 11 17 >19 6 >Sol Et Luna (Myst. Tr. II) Heartbreakers 93 CDB 21 30 >35 11 >Dreamtime 93 CDM Miramar. L 15 22 >25 8 >Dreaming Live Melbourne 93 CD 21 30 >35 11 >Antarktis II - 20th Century Serenades 93 CDB 21 30 >35 11 and one of the Bicycle Races. Please email me if there is something left. Are you living in the Netherlands (from your name I guess) or Europe? Then paying with Eurocheque would be the easiest way I think. Regards, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 9:10 am Subject: Re: RE: jerome on stratosfear Really-From: Thomas Fanger > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list), on 25.01.1997 01:04: > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:13:00 -0500 tadream mailing list > wrote: > > >Is Jerome the baby face on Atem? How old is he? (Now, I mean) > > > >Scott > > > > I don't know about whose baby face that is on Atem, but Jerome should > be 27 this year. Considering this, it might well be him... > > Dennis > > > > I think it's definetely Jerome's face on all the 70's albums like Phaedra, Rubycon, Atem,... He looked cute, did'nt he? Cheers Thomas From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 12:16 am Subject: ELECTRONIC DREAMS Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Everyone, I have the opportunity to buy Electronic Dreams. Can some kind person tell me what's on it? This is all I currently have. ELECTRONIC DREAMS ?- ???... [??:??] ... ?- Maroubra Bay [16:57?] (EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, 2, recorded backwards - by accident?) ?LP [1975] Brain-DE- 0040 18 Thanks very much. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 8:58 am Subject: New Franke 'Babylon 5' CD available at SUPERCOLLECTOR (CA) Really-From: AMFB5@a... I got this by email this evening and I thought it might be worth passing along. I'm going down tomorrow to pick my reserved copy up. AFM B5 Subj: Babylon 5 Soundtrack Vol. 2-Messages from Earth- Now Available Date: Fri, Jan 24, 1997 10:52 PM EDT From: supercollector@s... To: amf b5@a... BABYLON 5 SOUNDTRACK VOL. 2- MESSAGES FROM EARTH We now have the much-awaited sequel to the Babylon 5 soundtrack available on CD, composed by Christopher Franke. The CD has 8 tracks and is 58:00 minutes in length. The cover has the Babylon 5 logo flanked by Star Furies and other ships from the series. Inside is a 14-page color booklet with excellent photo montages of characters and vehicles from the show. Also included is a shot of the show's producers with the 1996 Hugo Award. The CD holder has another montage of Captain Sheridan and the White Star. Imprinted on the CD is the B5 logo on top and a Shadow warship below. Track listing is as follows: 1 - Main Title, 1st Season (Extended) 3:17 2 - Messages From Earth 10:05 3 - Main Title, 2nd Season 1:30 4 - Z'ha'dum 12:20 5 - Main Title, 3rd Season 1:31 6 - Severed Dreams 15:37 7 - Main Title, 4th Season 1:29 8 - Voices Of Authority 11:26 Total Running Time: 58:00 The cost for this CD is $15.99, plus $3.50 for shipping in the US. California residents please add 7.75% sales tax. We also accept major credit cards (Visa, MC, AmEx and Disc) Or you can send a chack or money order to us. We also have available our 64-page merchandise catalog, please request a complimentary copy when ordering. If you would like to order this CD, please contact us at: Super Collector 16547 Brookhurst St. Fountain Valley, CA 92708 USA Telephone: 714-839-3693 / FAX 714-839-8263 For orders only: 800-99-SCIFI (800-997-2434) Our Email address is: supercollector@s... Visit our Web Site: www.supercollector.com We also carry a wide range of popular and hard-to-find motion picture and television soundtracks on CD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 9:42 am Subject: E-mail address to get my saleslist Really-From: Peter van Dam <106631.3071@c...> Hello all, Last week I mentioned I had a large sales list with hundreds of items for sale. I forgot to mention my E-mail address. Well here it is: 106631.3071@c... Does anyone know other adresses where I can leave/mention my saleslist? Please reply to me personally. Greetings, Peter van Dam From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 10:26 am Subject: Siblings, Spouses & TD 8>< snip! Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> A real-life example: I had totally and entirely given up hope that my wife (who is from Central America, thus a totally different cultural background) would ever be able to appreciate TD. Knowing her musical taste (Salsa and Soft Latino-Pop), I already prefer to listen to much of 'my' music over headphones, but on a few occasions, TD was actually on my stereo when she was there...I recall her disgust at Dream Mixes 'What is that techno stuff?' or Ricochet 'Sounds so annoying and monotonous'. ><8 snip! I would have to agree about that. The only person in my family who can really appreciate TD's music is my older brother Dave (who got me into electronic music with Carlos' _Switched_On_Bach_) but he's not as much of a Dreamhead as I am, although I did take him to see TD in '86 & '88 (to thank him for getting me into this stuff). Although the audience applauding at times during the concerts prompted him to ask me what piece they were playing. (he being not as knowing about TD's music as I am.) My younger sister's comment about _Logos_ (on a road trip in *my* car up to SF. I *did* tell her that since *I* was driving, I intended to play *my* music.) was 'What *is* this? It sounds like dead people's music! (in reference to one soundform)' My friends main complaint about TD is 'Don't you have anything with lyrics?' although I have slowly gotten them to appreciate TD. In fact, a friend of mine now owns copies of _Le_Parc_ & _Thief_, and another owns a copy of _Poland_ (*not* _Extracts_From_Poland_, I made sure of that) Oh well, such is the life of the TD enthusiast. The nice thing about this mailing list is that us Dreamheads can discuss ad infinitum & ad nauseum to our heart's content about TD, without terminally boring our friends, spouses & family members. 'The world of music is something on its own. It's absolutely dust-free, clear, and clean. Music is one of the most neutral things on earth. It symbolizes the 'highest frequency' of all art forms in its abstract, neutral manner.' - Edgar Froese /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 8:27 pm Subject: non-TDreamers about TD Really-From: Armin Theissen > My younger sister's comment about _Logos_ (on a road trip in *my* >car up to SF. I *did* tell her that since *I* was driving, I intended to >play *my* music.) was 'What *is* this? It sounds like dead people's music! >(in reference to one soundform)' > My friends main complaint about TD is 'Don't you have anything with >lyrics?' although I have slowly gotten them to appreciate TD. In fact, a > > I have similar experience, though from another direction. One of my best friends is a keyboarder. He plays Korg Wavestation, and some Roland modules. He composes mainly with computers, and he'd never be interested in a keyboard without MIDI (though he regrets that he sold his first keyboard ever, a Korg MS20). He also plays flute and sings. He likes Jazz most, just like me, and we agree that pop and rock music is essentially dead, after a climax of creativity in the late 70s / early-mid 80s (probably due to this f*&%ing MTV which uniformed the music taste all over the world). I tried to get him into TD with everything (except pre-Phaedra), but he always finds it boring. He does not complain about lack of lyrics, but mostly about uninteresting compositions. There maybe interesting sound synthesis, but this is not what he is looking for (though he has got a Wavestation). Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 24, 1997 4:48 am Subject: Re: SBM Definitives Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > Those of us in the US have not seen a re-release of many of the best TD > albums (definitive editions). I am looking for exit, tangram, rubycon an > phaedra). I have the old virgin releases of them but want the SBM > definitives. Can anyone here direct me? look at cdeurope ( http://www.cdeurope.com/) I think they have all. -- Francisco Salgado, La Coruña, España mailto:fsalgado@c... http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 4:45 pm Subject: Re: Frankes Pax Terra Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-01 15:07:03 EST, you write: << I think it is one of his best solo releases. Sounds a bit like B5, but more homogeneous. A great mix of synthesizers and orchestra sound. Perhaps I like this CD so much, because I'm a great fan of the Perry Rhodan Series. 8) ciao... Thomas Giese >> Must have to be a fan of the series to appreciate this. I thought it was pretty bad, especially those cheezy vocals. Typical Saturday morning superhero stuff, only worse, IMO. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 455 Re: Frankes Pax Terra gerryfox Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 4:44 pm Subject: Re: D: _Tangram_ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-22 01:17:57 EST, Pete writes: << This album was one I picked up in my 'attack dose' of TD, back in '81 I can find nothing to complain about this one, every note and sound so close to perfection, an album/CD that I can listen to over & over. And the survey says..... 5AS! Then Sean says: Tangram Part one remains one of my all-time favourite TD pieces. Everything that they do best, they do here. >> Ditto. Absolutely fantastic. I keep meaning to sit down and count just how many TD discs I rate a 5, but this is one of the best of the best for sure. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1235 D: _Tangram_ Marshall Wood Tue 2/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: Tangram Really-From: odean@m... (spidey) A phenomenal recording and a peak in their career. One of my all-time faves. It still has a strong impact on me even after all these years. I never tire of it. 5AS. PS: Those of you on the list back in October may remember I was just starting my CD collection database. I am in the letter 'S' and have inputted 967 CD's. (The 70 Schulze CD's slow things down a bit with all of the German text in the Silver and Historic Editions. No offense, I type faster in English!) After I finish the 'Z's' I have to enter my 700 or so classical CD's. The grand total will be around 2400. Hmmm....I'd better check my computer's memory! Oscar Dean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 5:42 pm Subject: Side long tracks Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >er, what about 'Mojave Plan' from _White Eagle_? Or 'Sphinx Lightining' >from _Hyperborea_? > >Gabe Easy...Mojave Plan is 3 tracks, Sphinx Lightning is 2 tracks. Actually two good examples of so called 'side-long tracks' that abruptly change their musical style completely in the middle of the music. Think about it, if they had faded Mojave Plan after the first segment, put a silence of 2 seconds and started up with Mojave Plan second segment (titled something else of course on the label) would there have been any difference to the feel of the album? Now try the same with Pergamon (Quichotte II)...fade...silence...new track with a different name...huh??? it is still the same music! This becomes very obvious on Tangents (and DRC I assume)...some pieces feel wrong, not because of the remixing/rerecording, but because they are shortened and cut down to the 'highlights', others are cut exactly down to the segment that they originally occupied and sound much better in that respect. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 456 Side long tracks Hilmar Kraft Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: Re: song order Really-From: 'gerryfox' > >To follow-up on Hilmar's discussion of side-long tracks, > >perhaps the idea can be reversed. Can a side of many tracks > >actually fit together as a single piece. When I think of my most favourite albums, TD or otherwise, they are the albums where everything flows from begining to end. Tracks have a link to others either by theme or by sound. I'm not a musician so my vocabulary is short in this area. Some albums are a collection of non related songs, musical pieces etc. Others blend superbly well and the album become one piece of work. A non TD example is Supper's Ready' by Genesis. A collection of different songs which becomes one 'movement' and really can't be split. It could be said that the later TD material is collections of individual tracks where the best of TD is when it all comes together. Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: Re: RE: jerome on stratosfear Really-From: 'gerryfox' > >Is Jerome the baby face on Atem? How old is he? (Now, I mean) > I remember when I bought the early TD albums at the time, that I understood the pictures of the baby was the child of Edgar and Monique - who took all the cover pics. I used to play hunt the baby photo while giving the album a first listen. Ah Memories... Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 1:46 am Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Easy...Mojave Plan is 3 tracks, Sphinx Lightning is 2 tracks. Actually two >good examples of so called 'side-long tracks' that abruptly change their >musical style completely in the middle of the music. > >Think about it, if they had faded Mojave Plan after the first segment, put >a silence of 2 seconds and started up with Mojave Plan second segment >(titled something else of course on the label) would there have been any >difference to the feel of the album? > YES! Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 478 Armin Theissen Mon 1/27/1997 3 KB 486 Re: Marcel Engels Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB 620 Armin Theissen Tue 2/4/1997 2 KB 658 FINDLAY B.J. BSC.ENG. Thu 2/6/1997 2 KB 718 Eduardo Nava D.C. (525) 230-2 Sat 2/8/1997 2 KB 779 Maxwell A. Croy Tue 2/11/1997 2 KB 787 Re: Gabe Yedid Tue 2/11/1997 2 KB 797 Re: Rich Maggio Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB 801 Re: Steve McCready Wed 2/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Sounds and Effects bootleg/last track Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi there, someone had some questions about the last track of the Sound and effects bootleg, this track is indeed NOT House of The Rising Sun but Mark Shreeve playing a live version of 'Assassin'. 'Assassin' itself is a remake of a John Carpenter piece 'Assault on precinct 13 (?)'(don't know if I got the title completely right). If you would like to hear a GOOD quality recording of this piece, check out Mark's new Live album 'Collide' which is really great both for his fans and people who have yet to discover this amazing musician. People yearning for another Rubicon or Ricochet should get his 'Redshift' CD, I personally think it's better than Radio Massacre International etc, although if you're not into the retro style of music (it's against some people's principles ;) ) then this isn't for you, I'm afraid. But if you're in the mood for this kind of music it can be a REAL treat !!! If you'd like to hear House of the Rising Sun played by TD, you could try to find the Argonautica Americana Bootlegs, there not that difficult to find. HotRS is on 'Collected Endings' if I remember correctly (the third in the series). Sweet T-Dreams, Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 458 Re: Sounds and Effects bootleg/last track Paul Nagle Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 7:22 pm Subject: Re: D: _Sorcerer_ Really-From: 'Louis R. Vincze Jr.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Marshall Wood > > _Sorcerer_ (1977) Rating: 4 AS > > One of my favorite TD soundtracks. The music is ominous > in the extreme, and very suspenseful. > > 'Main Title' is very eerie, and as times just sounds like > industrial noise. Maybe a bit too long at 5:29. 'Search' > is a great contrast to the first track. 'Search' is more > melodic, and perhaps too short. This is generally the > case here - the harser tracks like 'Main Title' & 'Abyss' > are long, while the melodic tracks like 'Mountain Road' > are relatively brief. I'd prefer the reverse, methinks. > > 'The Call' and 'Grind' are great, and are instantly > recognizable as TD. Multiple synth melodies gliding over > insistent sequencer backdrops. Some of the same bits > crop up in other pieces, like 'Betrayal.' > > I really like 'Impressions of Sorcerer,' and I award this > track the best-on-the-album honor. The guitar work is > typically tasteful, and the keyboard percussion sounds are > quite varied, unlike the percussion of TD today. If only > this track was longer... I've only seen the movie once, > before I bought the soundtrack CD - is this track included > in the movie? When? > > I have to say that I agree with whoever commented on the > ghostly photo of Messrs. Baumann, Franke, and Froese. If > that photo had been the first exposure of any sort that I > had ever had to TD, I might have been too scared to go > any further! :) > > As is usually the case, the soundtrack is far better than > the film. But in this case, the movie isn't bad at all. > Roy Scheider is excellent in it. Worth checking out, IMO. > Certainly better than movies like _Dead Solid Perfect_ and > (yawn) _Heartbreakers_. And the music fit the film quite > well. > > Easily a 4 on the Armin Scale. Might even compare with > the best of 'em on some days! > > And for whoever it was that asked about the poem that was > included in the LP release: yes, that is there on my CD > version (MCA Catalog # MCAD-10842). The positioning of > the poem and the comments by producer/director William > Friedkin seem to indicate that he wrote the poem. Shrug. > > MWood I have 'Sorcerer' on CD also and the one gripe I have is that MCA didn't remix/remaster it. The sound levels are artificially low and fail to take advantage of the CD's extended dynamic range. Lou in NJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 7:28 pm Subject: D: TANGRAM Really-From: Claude Roy Hi all! IT's the first time that I comment any TD albums on the list but for Tangram it's a must situation! For me if the followed question was made: If you can only keep one CD from your entire CD collection what it would be? Well Tangram would be my choice. I remember it as if it was yesterday when I first listen to it. A friend of mine had a great classical cd collection but had also one TD album at the time Tangram. At the time I knew not much from TD except Optical Race, Lily On the Beach, Miracle Mile maybe Underwater sunlight and Tyger. When he put on this music. I was completly mistify by the sonority of the album. I had never heard stuff like that in my hole life. I could not define any instruments in what I heard. It is so well blend, I mean the keyboards, guitars and percussion. Everything is mix together to form on global sound. It can almost be called a symphony. The classical influence on this one are incredible. Part I is for me the most greatest piece of music made by the band with Silver Scale (1980 UK and USA tour). Well as for the Scaling thing. 5 AS even 6AS would not be enough for Tangram!!!!! ____________________________________ Claude Roy e-mail: Longueuil 'Beach' P.Q. Canada ____________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 7:02 pm Subject: Re: Tangram Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: odean@m... (spidey) -snip- > will be around 2400. Hmmm....I'd better check my computer's memory! > > Oscar Dean 2400 CDs !!! YOU _ARE_ crazy. I start culling my herd when it reaches 800. Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 465 CD Addicts sean Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 9:36 pm Subject: D: Tangram Really-From: Boneheads1@a... The beginning of Tangram hooks me. Like the start of Ricochet Part 2 (or Tubular Bells for that matter), I don't think I'll ever get it out of my head. Where Force Majeure addresses power, Tangram embraces beauty. It shimmers with inner warmth and with macrocosmic geometrical sensibility. Tangram swings with extremes, from quiet, tiny sounds to thick evolving layers, from soulful piano/flute melodies to angular guitar/sequencer repetitions. Tangram (as the title implies) is like exploring a hidden dimension. Individual pieces fit together to become a whole, yet it is the relationship between the pieces that is the revelation, rather than the pieces or the whole. Like a mathmatical principal that can be re-applied and compounded, tangrams are a model of human understanding. Tangram relentlessly tickles the mind, coaxing it to follow hidden trails. There's not a lot of predictability, but rather perpendicular symmetry. Every approach is peripheral. Every arrival is wondrous. Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 11:03 pm Subject: Wouldn't it be funny Really-From: Michael A Jean Given all this talk on the tadream list of what is live and what isn't, wouldn't it be funny if TD DID put out I LIVE IN LONDON disc, of all the material they INTENDED to play...(just kidding) :) Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 1:44 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: rch@g... Hi Victor The 'House of the Rising Sun' track on the 'Sound and Effects' CD is not played by TD at all. And it is in fact Mark Shreeve's 'Assassin'. This is not the only fault with the CD in question... :( All I can say is I'm sorry you wasted your money on it... Keep dreaming Richard Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 451 Re: House of the Rising Sun Robert Grabowsky Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 452 Re: House of the Rising Sun Vic Rek Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 463 Re: House of the Rising Sun gerryfox Sun 1/26/1997 2 KB 1895 House of the Rising Sun Mark Filipak Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB 1898 Re: House of the Rising Sun Vic Rek Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB 1917 Re: House of the Rising Sun TWeibre361@a... Mon 3/17/1997 2 KB 1926 Re: House of the Rising Sun Mark Filipak Mon 3/17/1997 2 KB 7116 House of the Rising Sun Dave Lane Tue 9/16/1997 2 KB 7119 Re: House of the Rising Sun Sean Montgomery Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 1:55 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Robert Grabowsky At 01:44 AM 1/26/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: rch@g... > > >Hi Victor > >The 'House of the Rising Sun' track on the 'Sound and Effects' CD is not >played by TD at all. And it is in fact Mark Shreeve's 'Assassin'. >This is not the only fault with the CD in question... :( >All I can say is I'm sorry you wasted your money on it... > >Keep dreaming >Richard > > I have to agree that this disc is the worst thing I have ever bought.For anyone thinking about buying it SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!!! Robert From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 3:55 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Vic Rek >>The 'House of the Rising Sun' track on the 'Sound and Effects' CD is not >>played by TD at all. And it is in fact Mark Shreeve's 'Assassin'. >>This is not the only fault with the CD in question... :( >>All I can say is I'm sorry you wasted your money on it... >>Keep dreaming >>Richard >> >I have to agree that this disc is the worst thing I have ever bought.For >anyone thinking about buying it SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!!! > Robert So Robert, I guess you didn't buy 'Rubycon Revisited'? Thanks for the help guys. I thought I was going crazy. Victor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 5:01 am Subject: Definitive Klaus Schulze Info Really-From: Mark Filipak I want to thank everyone on the space-music and the tadream lists who contributed to the discussion on Klaus Schulze. I'm going to go in the direction recommended by those who favor the 'pick and choose' philosophy. This morning Georg Veltmann sent my the official KS web page's URL: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/lk13/ks.htm I had five other URLs for KS (if you want these, send me a request off-list) but this one's the most informative. I found this there: In summer 1996, the members of The KS Circle chose the Top Ten Klaus Schulze albums and titles. Here are the results: Top Ten Klaus Schulze albums 1. Mirage, with a total of 274 points 2. 'X' with 226 points 3. Moondawn (The Original Master) with 221 points (but most people voted for this!) 4. Historic Edition with 207 points 5. Silver Edition with 190 points 6. Timewind with 173 points 7. In Blue with 167 points 8. ...Live... with 166 points 9. Audentity with 126 points 10. En=Trance with 101 points Top Ten Klaus Schulze titles 1. Crystal Lake, from Mirage 2. Floating, from Moondawn (The Original Master) 3. Bayreuth Return, from Timewind 4. Sense (complete version), from ...Live... (CD version) 5. Picasso geht spazieren, from the Silver Edition set 6. Ludwig II, from 'X' 7. Velvet Voyage, from Mirage 8. Wahnfried 1883, from Timewind 9. Into the Blue, from In Blue 10. Dune, from Dune Return of the Tempel, from In Blue Added to all this is an album I found yesterday. It's a double CD called 'The Essential Klaus Schulze, 72-93'. It has some great photos of Klaus looking very impish, and of course, music! THE ESSENTIAL KLAUS SCHULZE 1.1- Irrlicht, I. Satz: Ebene [5:16] (from Irrlicht) 1.2- Totem [6:25] (from Picture Music) 1.3- Wahnfried 1883 [10:51] (from Timewind) 1.4- Floating [11:30] (from Moondawn) 1.5- Stardancer II [14:11] (from Body Love Vol 2) 1.6- Ludwig II von Bayern [10:00] (from X) 1.7- Death of an Analogue [12:15] (from Dig It) 2.1- Weird Caravan [5:04] (from Dig It) 2.2- Freeze [6:38] (from Angst) 2.3- Miditerranean Pads [14:15] (from Miditerranean Pads) 2.4- Dresden Five [8:32] (from The Dresden Performance) 2.5- Brave Old Sequence [10:54] (from Beyond Recall) 2.6- Silence and Sequence [11:54] (from Royal Festival Hall Vol I) 2.7- The Dome Event (Presto) [12:44] (from The Dome Event) 2CD [1994] Caroline Records-US- CAROL 1896-2 7243 8 39300 2 9 I think with all this, I _may_ be ready for my copy of the Jubilee Edition, 25 CD box, when it arrives this summer or fall. I plan on recycling 'The Essential Klaus Schulze'. Anyone interested in trading for this, contact me off-list. Preference will be given to those who can offer the SBM of 'Exit'. By the way, I liked almost everything on these two discs. Thanks again and fondest regards to all who helped. Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 533 Re: Definitive Klaus Schulze Info PhilPDX@a... Thu 1/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 7:38 am Subject: Babylon 5 Soundtrack Vol. 2-'Messages from Earth' Really-From: Fordat1@a... I've been asked to repost this to those areas it might interest. Fromsupercollector@s... Newsgroups: rec.music.movies Subject: Babylon 5 Soundtrack Vol. 2-'Messages from Earth' Special Offer Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:24:07 -0800 BABYLON 5 SOUNDTRACK VOL. 2- MESSAGES FROM EARTH We now have the much-awaited sequel to the Babylon 5 soundtrack available on CD, composed by Christopher Franke. The CD has 8 tracks and is 58:00 minutes in length. The cover has the Babylon 5 logo flanked by Star Furies and other ships from the series. Inside is a 14-page color booklet with excellent photo montages of characters and vehicles from the show. Also included is a shot of the show's producers with the 1996 Hugo Award. The CD holder has another montage of Captain Sheridan and the White Star. Imprinted on the CD is the B5 logo on top and a Shadow warship below. Track listing is as follows: 1 - Main Title, 1st Season (Extended) 3:17 2 - Messages From Earth 10:05 3 - Main Title, 2nd Season 1:30 4 - Z'ha'dum 12:20 5 - Main Title, 3rd Season 1:31 6 - Severed Dreams 15:37 7 - Main Title, 4th Season 1:29 8 - Voices Of Authority 11:26 Total Running Time: 58:00 The cost for this CD is $15.99, plus $3.50 for shipping in the US. California residents please add 7.75% sales tax. 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 25, 1997 9:10 pm Subject: Re: Frankes Pax Terra Really-From: 'gerryfox' > > Must have to be a fan of the series to appreciate this. I thought it was > pretty bad, especially those cheezy vocals. Typical Saturday morning > superhero stuff, only worse, IMO. > > Phil D. I agree about the cheesy vocals. I tend to tune out the words now - but the rest of the album is pretty good. BTW I asked my daughter in law about Perry Rhodan as she is german, but she had never heard of the books at all. I thought it was big in Germany ? Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 10:00 am Subject: Side long tracks Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >Really-From: Armin Theissen > >> >>Think about it, if they had faded Mojave Plan after the first segment, put >>a silence of 2 seconds and started up with Mojave Plan second segment >>(titled something else of course on the label) would there have been any >>difference to the feel of the album? >> > YES! > Armin NO! Hilmar PS: In other words, could you elaborate a little what the difference is to you? For me there is a total break of mood, harmony, tempo, structure, melody, instrumentation, (and more) between the parts, so I really don't see how blending the parts together as they did is at all different from keeping them separate tracks. Your turn! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 5:05 pm Subject: Tangram Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, >Really-From: Boneheads1@a... >Tangram (as the title implies) is like exploring a hidden dimension. > Individual pieces fit together to become a whole, yet it is the relationship >between the pieces that is the revelation, rather than the pieces or the >whole. Like a mathmatical principal that can be re-applied and compounded, >tangrams are a model of human understanding. > >Tangram relentlessly tickles the mind, coaxing it to follow hidden trails. > There's not a lot of predictability, but rather perpendicular symmetry. > Every approach is peripheral. Every arrival is wondrous. Couldn't have said it better myself. Tangram was our first real exposure to TD when we heard bits of it at a friends house. That openning riff still stands out as one of the most enthralling little sequences that they've ever come up with. It's so haunting and they use it wonderfully in the film 'Risky Business' almost as Joel's theme. The line 'Get off the babysitter, Joel!' still puts me in stitches... Cheers david From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Sounds and Effects bootleg/last track Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:59:52 +0100, you wrote: >People yearning for another Rubicon or Ricochet should get his 'Redshift' >CD, I personally think it's better than Radio Massacre International etc, Agreed. I can heartily recommend this album to anyone keen on the TD music of 1975-78 ish. Superb but not in the same vein as his other solo stuff which I personally prefer... > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Side long tracks/Mojave Plan Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 05:00:20 -0500 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> > (...) >PS: In other words, could you elaborate a little what the difference is to >you? For me there is a total break of mood, harmony, tempo, structure, >melody, instrumentation, (and more) between the parts, so I really don't >see how blending the parts together as they did is at all different from >keeping them separate tracks. Your turn! In my very humble opinion indeed, the whole point to TD music in those days was to create a musical impression of an 'assembly' phase in which melodic segments (such as the individual parts on Mojave Plan) are blended into a diverse collection of song fragments that yet form an entity. In an interview, Edgar Froese talked about TD as a living and breathing creature...I reckon it might be something like that. Think about the earlier pieces and the elaboration on single motifs and sounds as a gathering phase, about the first half of the eighties as a synthetic or assembly face (holding your breath, trying to make sense of the multitude of impressions that have passed your way...), and the contemporary TD music appears to be a diffusion phase, or another gathering of material. Accordingly, splitting Mojave Plan in half would contradict the musical direction TD were taking during that time, even if it could be done, as you say quite rightly. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: perry rhodan Really-From: Armin Theissen > >I agree about the cheesy vocals. I tend to tune out the words now - but >the rest of the album is pretty good. > >BTW I asked my daughter in law about Perry Rhodan as she is german, but she >had never heard of the books at all. I thought it was big in Germany ? > >Gerry > This will be off-topic!!! Perry Rhodan is a science fiction 'pulp' magazine adventure (no comic books, but novels) which started in 1961. Every week there is a new Perry Rhodan. It was intended to be an adventure of about 30 episodes, but it was, unexpected for all, a mega success right from number 1 on, so it still exists today. I think they are now at number 1850 (roughly). What is the story? It started with the first (american) landing on the moon, set in the year 1971. A good guess for the year 1961!. Perry Rhodan and three fellows are on this flight. On the moon they find a huge alien spaceship which crashed there just some time ago, the crew is unable to repair, which is attributed to the fact that they are essentially too lazy or simply uninterested - kind of 'degradation' because they are more interested in some sort of video games. Perry and Co. return to earth with the ('undegraded') leading scientist of the (human-like) aliens. They land in the Gobi desert, where they occupy territory and establish a neutral power between the (american) west and the (russian and chinese) east. With the help of the alien technology, they peacefully prevent a nuclear 3rd world war and build up an industry to build space ships for the aliens to return home. This alien scientist sees in mankind the successor of the aliens who govern a huge empire throughout the whole milkyway. The alien mission was to find some mystic planet whose inhabitants know the secret of eternal life, and together with Perry and fellows they find this solar system and meet some kind of body-less superior entity, and Perry and some friends get some kind of implant which makes them immune against any kind of natural deaths and aging - quite important for the story which covers about 3000 years. What follows is expansion of mankind into the galaxy and later to other galaxies, leaded by super-boss hero Perry Rhodan, taking over the empire of the degenerated aliens they found on the moon. And right *this* lead to the critics that Perry Rhodan is obviously fashistoid. It has, however, to be said that the series was intended to be a short adventure, and suddenly the authors (about 10) saw themselves forced to continue the story. On the fly, they were just able to turn their story of 'mankind, east and west, come together and life in peace' in pure action adventure. Some years later, they could overcome this and moved away from the pure war-adventure concept and created some interesting cosmology in which live plays an important role (quite amusing to read since modern cosmology has nothing to do with biology at all). Also, Perry Rhodan is no longer that superhero figure, but there are a couple of important characters in the set, and Perry Rhodan is by far not playing the leading role alone. The story proceeds on several parallel lines. I have the feeling that Star Trek took over some ideas from Perry Rhodan. as the Q-Continuum (in PR there are 'Cosmocrats' which sended human representatives to the universe as known by mankind) or the Borg (PR once had to deal with a half robot/half organic civilization appearing in giant cube starships - obvious, don't you think so? and these robot civilastion appeared in PR in the mid 60ies!!!!). Each period of PR maches quite exactly the general taste of the time it appeared. Probably because of this, PR was never successful in the US. The first 100 episodes or so have been translated and published in the US in the late 60s/early 70s, I guess, but it was impossible to sell early 60s science fiction adventure at that particular time. A lot of the gigantanomania and look of PR was caught in the movie Independance Day - funny since the director of Independance Day was german. The story if ID matches the feel of early PR. So far so good. Greetings from an old PR freak. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: Re: D: Tangram Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-23 20:51:49 EST, you write: << Really-From: Paul Edwards Tangram was my first ever TD purchase, and, I believe, itr's one of their top four or five albums. >> Yet you only give it a 4AS???? Meaning you only give out one or two 5's for all of TD? I give 5's to Tangram, Richochet, Logos, Hyperborea, White Eagle (yes, I like Schmoelling era TD!), and probably a few others I'm neglecting off the top of my head. Hmm, maybe it's not too many, though, come to think of it. Nevermind. :-) How many 5's did most people give, looking back at their lists? Seems I do have a lot of 3's. But, ooooh, those 5's. Phil D. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 11:20 pm Subject: klaus schulze Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi all, does anybody know about the Klaus Schulze concert in New York in August? I might be in New York beginning of August...... Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 467 Re: klaus schulze TWeibre361@a... Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 8:55 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: 'gerryfox' > >I have to agree that this disc is the worst thing I have ever bought.For > >anyone thinking about buying it SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!!! > > Robert By coincidence I have just bought this. I found it in a market stall for £4 ( $6). I think I got my moneys worth. Now I know why I couldn't get the tune from HotRS. The sound quality is a bit toppy but the music comes through all the same. Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 6:38 pm Subject: Tangram differences Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Dreamers, This is a fortunate time to be reviewing 'Tangram.' I just bought the SBM remastered version (Virgin TAND 11 -- that somehow made it's way to the US) after having the original CD (Virgin CDV 2147) for many years. The covers are different of course. The new one has the original LP cover, red with 'TANGERINE DREAM' in a circle in the upper left, while the old one was ugly: purple, framed in gray, with 'TANGERINE DREAM' in block letters across the top. But the music is subtly different! The notes in the opening progression are slightly different. I couldn't believe my ears. I didn't listen further but I plan to do a careful A/B of these two versions. I was just wondering whether anyone else had noticed this and whether any of the rest of the remastered 'TAND' series were likewise subtly different from their predecessors. I no longer have the LPs, but I'd like to know which version of 'Tangram' is most faithful to the LP. This seems like mice nuts to me, but it was so surprising, I just had to mention it. 'TAND 11' has in it's notes: 'High definition digital remastering by Simon Heyworth at Chop 'Em Out, London.' It is not a new mix -- just a remastering. How could the (musical) notes be different? How much liberty does someone take when they remaster something? Input from anyone in the industry and with first hand knowledge would be very welcome. Cheers, Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 582 Tangram differences Mark Filipak Sun 2/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 26, 1997 7:24 pm Subject: CD Addicts Really-From: sean > > will be around 2400. Hmmm....I'd better check my computer's memory! > 2400 CDs !!! YOU _ARE_ crazy. I start culling my herd when it reaches > 800. Geez, now I don't feel so bad for having a mere 500 discs. Nonetheless, I do confess to being an addict. The crinkle of the plastic wrap, the waft of fresh booklet ink: these are my 'highs'. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: tangram Really-From: Armin Theissen > > But the music is subtly different! The notes in the opening >progression are slightly different. I couldn't believe my ears. I >didn't listen further but I plan to do a careful A/B of these two >versions. I was just wondering whether anyone else had noticed this and >whether any of the rest of the remastered 'TAND' series were likewise >subtly different from their predecessors. I no longer have the LPs, but >I'd like to know which version of 'Tangram' is most faithful to the LP. >This seems like mice nuts to me, but it was so surprising, I just had to >mention it. > >Mark > I've got the definitive edition CD and the original Vinyl pressing. The music is the same! The cover of the CD is terribly wrong, crediting Peter Baumann instead of Johannes Schmoelling. The inner sleeve of the Vinyl Tangram had two additional photos. They must have build a huge 'Tangram' logo and set it somewhere into a rainy winter landscape. And: somewhere hidden, very tiny: Jerome. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 474 tangram MiqSk8@a... Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 1:58 pm Subject: Re: klaus schulze Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-26 11:24:09 EST, you write: << Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi all, does anybody know about the Klaus Schulze concert in New York in August? I might be in New York beginning of August...... Armin >> ive heard this rumor also...there has been talk of an electronic composer series at carnegie hall, and ks was one of those mentioned...on the other hand, the latest communique from kdm stated that ks still has not gotten over his aversion to the us, but, as they say here, it aint over till its over, so, who knows.... tom w np: little axe - slow fuse From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: d: sorcerer, stratosfear, tangram & theif Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) **** warning long post, some controversial remarks ******* I know I won't have a chance to ever catch up and write these the way I wanted to but I wanted to say something so here goes something: D: sorcerer 4AS (but a very low 4) I had a difficult time deciding whether this should be a 3AS or a 4AS... but since I think I gave shy people a 4AS, I guess I have to give sorcerer at least that much (that's twisted reasoning isn't it?)... still, parts of sorcerer, when separated from the film (that is, taken only as pieces of music) doesn't engage me to the degree of other films. Part of my problem with ranking these four albums is their proximity to one another and my thoughts on other albums from this period and I don't think sorcerer measures up to, say, Rubycon to which I think I also gave a 4AS. But enough of the methodological problems In the context of the film, the s'track is excellent, meshing perfectly with the subject and cinematography; the movie itself it also quite good but has some gaps and unexplained ambiguities -- perhaps it would be more understandable had I read the book or seen 'wages of fear'. the s'track itself has some excellent pieces especially Search, Creation, Grind, Betrayal. these are 4 really great tracks and it is hard to pick a favorite but I lean towards 'Creation'. Some of the other tracks however, do little for me (which is not to say they are 'bad') but just make me feel like there is trail of S. American army ants winding its way up my back staircase and into my house.... yeeeeccccchhhhhh. While living in Italy, we came back late at night from a short trip and when we woke up in the morning, there were these wide trails of thousands of ants all over our apartment (and we keep a very clean house) -- they even were in our bed (which is where we first found them) double yeeeeeeecccchhhh! If you've ever had ants in your house (I mean lots of ants) you know what I mean when I say that parts of sorcerer remind me of being in bed in the middle of a dark night with bunches of ants crawling all over you. (please don't point out the similarities between this and the pertinent passage in Electric kool-aid acid test). I guess, in the context of the film, that was precisely what TD was trying to do, give us the creepy crawlies, sort of like the jungle. Well, it worked but I still don't get off on this soundtrack.... ---------------------------------------------------------- D:Stratosfear 4AS (but a low 4as) Stratosfear is, I think, the second TD album I bought and the 4th I heard but it took quite awhile for it to grow on me. Beyond the title track I didn't find that much to engage me; eventually though I came to appreciate it. I think I bought this album because the title and the artwork really turned me on, having heard RB, theif, and ricochet previously, I expected something a little different; after the title track, I initially felt a little let down, so I put it in the pile and went in search of some other TD. It was, perhaps, my first 'disappointing' experience with TD. 'stratosfear' is, of course, my favorite track on the album. Perhaps it is heresy but I must say that (after about 2 hours of side by side comparison) I like Stratosfear 95 better than the original title track to this album. In fact (considering that I also like theif yang), I look forward to hearing more of what Jerome does with the old TD; in many ways I think I like what Jerome has done with this material (on the few extant examples) better than what Edgar has done with some of the remixing on Tangetns, DRC, etc. (this is NOT to say that I don't appreciate Edgar's efforts only that I like what Jerome has done, it is different and more radical). Cloudburst flight is my favorite track of all and I would love to hear him do a remix of this (Jerome, are you listening?!) or take on quichotte part 2 .... I'm really interested in his reception of this material since he was really a part of it (as a father myself, I can't imagine that Jerome did not, in some way, influence his father or change his life from time to time and that this is probably apparent in Edgar's music, but where I don't know) the big sleep is, to me, much like the following two tracks on the second side of the vinyl album which never got a whole lot of play on my stereo since, unless the volume got cranked up, they would tend to go by unnoticed (sometimes I'd heard stratosfear and forget that I had even heard the others unless I sat down and made myself listen). the two tracks on this side are defintely post-peak, resolution, wind-down type tracks but the album lacks a really well organized climax and so, when the 4 tracks are put together on a cd, they seem somewhat disjointed 3AM... has always reminded me of PF's 'Echoes' from Meddle and 'invisible Limits' is a great closer but still a bit slow for my tastes (maybe because I am a high stress type A person); in certain moods however, I think it is wonderful, especially with the 'bell' sound around the 4 min mark. ---------------------------------------------------- D:Tangram 5AS (but a low 5) There have been a lot of great reviews of this album/cd and there's not much more I have to add except to say that while it comes from the peak moment of TD I still feel to this day that it is not a perfect reflection of their music. I think it is in general a really excellent piece of music but there are parts (like the keyboard[?] fife sounds that sound something like 'yankee doodle' (track I, 4:13) that really turn me off. I love the music of this period because it engages me and allows me to disengage from the corporeal world; I love to sit back and let the music take me wherever it and my mind want to go (this is sort of like the 'suspension of disbelief' in literature and film and this is why I care less for shorter tracks). When I hear these recognizable parts of track I, it brutally breaks off my engagement with the music and the mental path that I am on. Taken in the plotinian sense (those who haven't should read Plotinus in the context of TD's 'epic' tracks, I think he's much more in tune to this stuff than was plato in timaeus), in the middle of my ascent from the corporeal to a more spiritual plane, these sounds jerk me back to earth and I must start the process anew. Now I know this is only a personal reaction and it shouldn't reflect on the music as a whole which is why I gave this album a 5AS. For along time I was tempted to give this a 4 but I know that, in reality, it is just too good; especially set II which is my favorite on the album and one of my favorites of all TD tracks. Are these side long tracks or not? if not, does it really matter? what about separate movements of a symphony? are they not part of the same work? or what of the separate panels of a painted polyptych? is what we seek not the concept of the Whole/totality of the work? if edgar and Co had meant these to be separate tracks would they not have separated them? After all, they had already taken steps in this direction with stratosfear and FM (not to mention sorcerer ST). I have to dismiss the debate on this. I define a side-long track as one where the artists have made no physical separations among the components. Among side-long tracks there are several types, those which are more 'epic' in nature (upon which I have previously elaborate) and others which I would call more 'symphonic' in that they are INTERNALLY (not externally!) divisible into movements and specific themes. Yet even the epic tracks still have divisions --as in quichotte part II where there there are at least 4 parts: 1) the soft intro, followed by 2) the layering of theme and variations, 3) the climax and 4) the resolution but these parts are linked within a larger context, perhaps we could say by an external direction or vector. I think the symphonic style tracks lack the notion of a 'vector'; that is to say that their direction and organization is not generated by some external attempt to structure or guide the work from beginning to end (as an epic tale is structured from a distinct beginning to a distinct ending); rather I think the organization is internal to each part but that the parts are all linked by some obvious or not so obvious characteristic (key, theme, mood, intrumentation, rhythm, title, concept...). 'song of the whale' is a good example of a 'symphonic' side-long track and is disreetly broken into two components (here, I would argue that the silent moment joins rather than separates the two movements). without over elaborating on this, I think that tangram is a good example of an album that combines but the 'epic' (set II) and the 'symphonic' (set I) styles of side-long tracks. Does tangram harken the so-called 'decay' of long td tracks into short more 'air-playable' tracks (like those on Exit?) I don't know but I think the direction to shorter tracks was inevitable. ------------------------------------------------------- D: Theif 4/5??AS I remember back around the summer of '81 or was it '82? I was helping a friend wash his car and he had put in this really wild tape he had borrowed from another friend and had cranked it up. I was mesmerized, just washing and listening, I don't think we said hardly a word until the tape had finished. I asked what it was and it was Theif--but I had never heard of TD. Well that was in my (small) rural hometown and the local yokel record stores didn't carry any of that long-haired acid-adled knob-twiddling music. Eventually I was able to buy td when I returned to college. Lately I hadn't been able to listen to this album from the death of my turntable (sometime in the late 80s) until I finally found a cd of it in London in november. It was great to hear it again after such a long absence. I really do like this sound track a lot and think it is one of, if not their absolute best soundtrack. Only Risky Business had a chance at surpassing theif for this honor but because there are so few TD tracks on RB it is disqualified from consideration as only a half TD album In the context of the film, this is another ST that rocks and meshes really well with the film script and cinematography. The film is pretty decent but not fantastic--unless you are a Mann's man :-) my favorite tracks are: diamond diary (which is really a mini epic), scrap yard, and igneous (really from TMR on FM) and even dr. destructo and burning bar ain't bad 't all; the beginning of beach SCENE certainly seems to owe more than a little to mike oldfield's tubular bells. can someone explain/give the differences in track listings between the various issues of this ST? I have the virgin SBM version (UK tand12) with beach theme, dr destructo, diamond diary, burning bar, beach scene, scrap yard, trap feeling, igneous; my vinyl (Elektra 5E-521) has beach theme, dr. destructo, diamond diary and burning bar on side one, just like the first 4 tracks on the cd but the second side is missing beach scene and has scrap yard, trap feeling, igneous and confrontation. since i don't have a turntable or tape, can someone straighten me out on this? I know it has come up from time to time but with this D:week (and with mark F's discography in progress) now might be the time to hash it out once and for all. lars (scott, sorry I didn't separate these) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 477 Re: d: sorcerer, stratosfear, tangram & theif dbrewer@a... Mon 1/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: ks in ny Really-From: Armin Theissen > << > Hi all, > > does anybody know about the Klaus Schulze concert in New York in > August? I might be in New York beginning of August...... > > Armin > >> > >ive heard this rumor also...there has been talk of an electronic composer >series at carnegie hall, and ks was one of those mentioned...on the other >hand, the latest communique from kdm stated that ks still has not gotten over >his aversion to the us, but, as they say here, it aint over till its over, >so, who knows.... > >tom w > >np: little axe - slow fuse > Well, lets hope that KS gives New York a try. Would give a nice mailing list meeting just like in London. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 471 Re: ks in ny TWeibre361@a... Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 2:59 am Subject: Re: CD Addicts Really-From: 'R.A.Seed' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: sean > > > > will be around 2400. Hmmm....I'd better check my computer's memory! > > > 2400 CDs !!! YOU _ARE_ crazy. I start culling my herd when it reaches > > 800. > > Geez, now I don't feel so bad for having a mere 500 discs. Nonetheless, I > do confess to being an addict. The crinkle of the plastic wrap, the waft > of fresh booklet ink: these are my 'highs'. I will have to include myself in this crazy collector club aswell :) somewhere over 1500.... but not a completely catalogued collection. after running out of room to store them...my purchaces are slowly drying up :( Rob Seed Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 496 Re: CD Addicts TheSmitter@a... Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 513 CD Addicts spidey Wed 1/29/1997 2 KB 514 Re: CD Addicts sean Wed 1/29/1997 2 KB 516 Re: CD Addicts PENFOLD Wed 1/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: Re: ks in ny Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-27 09:53:34 EST, you write: << Well, lets hope that KS gives New York a try. Would give a nice mailing list meeting just like in London. Armin >> i agree 100%....tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: Vision Quest & The Wraith Really-From: Vic Rek I understand that the CD soundtrack for 'Vision Quest' does not contain Tangerine Dream music, but the video does and Tangerine Dream is credited for the music on the cover. Does this hold true for Michael Hoenig's 'The Wraith'. I read that he is credited for the soundtrack, but the CD contains heavy metal music. Can anyone verify this and confirm if this is similar to 'Vision Quest' ,i.e., music on video, but not released on CD soundtrack?? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 480 Re: Vision Quest & The Wraith Plumer, Scott Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB 484 Re: Vision Quest & The Wraith sean Mon 1/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: thief Really-From: Armin Theissen > >can someone explain/give the differences in track listings between the >various issues of this ST? I have the virgin SBM version (UK tand12) with >beach theme, dr destructo, diamond diary, burning bar, beach scene, scrap >yard, trap feeling, igneous; my vinyl (Elektra 5E-521) has beach theme, dr. >destructo, diamond diary and burning bar on side one, just like the first 4 >tracks on the cd but the second side is missing beach scene and has scrap >yard, trap feeling, igneous and confrontation. since i don't have a >turntable or tape, can someone straighten me out on this? I know it has >come up from time to time but with this D:week (and with mark F's >discography in progress) now might be the time to hash it out once and for >all. > > >lars > > I've bought the Vinyl immediatly as it was released in Germany back in 1981. It is identical to the SBM CD (with Beach SCENCE, but without Confrontation), but the track listing on the cover does not say Beach Scene, but lists Confrontation by this other guy (whose name eludes me for the moment). So the cover info there is wrong. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 498 thief Armin Theissen Tue 1/28/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 5:33 pm Subject: tangram Really-From: MiqSk8@a... again, the typical first tdream experience post- i had a friend who worked at a used record store, one night i bopped in and found this. i had read somewhere something that made me want to check it out. i borrowed it, went to another friend's house to tape it, and voila-i was completely hooked. knowing then that i would want use computers to make music along with other instruments- this seemed like a blueprint. so many facets of what really moves me are contained in this recording. what really stands out after all this time(realization in 1982-i was 15) is that the whole album/cd/recording is so complete and seamless. ps-I feel like i'm pretty familiar with this work, and did not notice any glaring differences on the sbm version From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 6:07 pm Subject: Tangram again Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' It seems that virtually everyone likes Tangram (including me) considering the amount of reviews send in. So Edgar & Co, I think there is a lesson to be learned here. Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 522 Re: Tangram again PNaunton@a... Wed 1/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: SCHULZE Really-From: Michael A Jean Is the concert OFFICIAL now? I thought it was just in the discussion stages? If it's official, you can include me in the list of attendees... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: Re: d: sorcerer, stratosfear, tangram & theif Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > > > can someone explain/give the differences in track listings between the > various issues of this ST? I have the virgin SBM version (UK tand12) with > beach theme, dr destructo, diamond diary, burning bar, beach scene, scrap > yard, trap feeling, igneous; my vinyl (Elektra 5E-521) has beach theme, dr. > destructo, diamond diary and burning bar on side one, just like the first 4 > tracks on the cd but the second side is missing beach scene and has scrap > yard, trap feeling, igneous and confrontation. since i don't have a > turntable or tape, can someone straighten me out on this? I know it has > come up from time to time but with this D:week (and with mark F's > discography in progress) now might be the time to hash it out once and for > all. > The Virgin and Elektra releases are identical *except*, Virgin has 'Beach Scene' (after 'Burning...') and Elektra has 'Confrontation' as the last track (by Craig Safan, who wrote the theme for Cheers and I think some of the Nightmare on Elm St's , IINM). These are the only versions I know of. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 1:38 am Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > >It seems that virtually everyone likes Tangram (including me) >considering the amount of reviews send in. >So Edgar & Co, I think there is a lesson to be learned here. > >Marcel Engels >fsp@p... > Edgar & Co. never gave a damn on what other people (e.g. listeners and fans) thought. That is the reason why they could produce so much good music over a quarter of a century. So keep on going, Edgar & Co., no matter if I don't like your recent stuff. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 8:04 pm Subject: D: This week Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Thief. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 954 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 1429 D: This week Plumer, Scott Tue 3/4/1997 2 KB 1636 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 3/10/1997 2 KB 2167 D: This week Plumer, Scott Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 8:24 pm Subject: RE: Vision Quest & The Wraith Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I understand that the CD soundtrack for 'Vision Quest' does not contain >Tangerine Dream music, but the video does and Tangerine Dream is credited >for the music on the cover. That is true, but I've never been able to bring myself to watch the movie and find out if it actually gets used. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 484 Re: Vision Quest & The Wraith sean Mon 1/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 8:24 pm Subject: D: Thief Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Thief, without a doubt, ranks up there as one of my favorties, and 'Diamond Diary' is probably my favorite TD track of all time. That track in particular seems to have the combination of Baumann-era and Schmoelling-era TD that I find so intoxicating. I also find it on Pergamon and (to a lesser extent) Tangram. A friend of mine met Michael Mann a few months ago, and when asked about TD he had nothing but praise for them, from their music to their business relationship. He said his only regret was that he couldn't get them to do more soundtracks. Which reminds me: Mann directed a film called 'Band of the Hand' in 1986. The TV commercial featured an excerpt from Poland, but TD music didn't appear in the movie, the credits or on the soundtrack. I wonder if they were negotiating to do the soundtrack and then it fell through? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 485 Re: D: Thief sean Mon 1/27/1997 2 KB 492 Re: D: Thief Jim Moore Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 497 Re: D: Thief Mark Filipak Tue 1/28/1997 3 KB 535 Re: D: Thief PhilPDX@a... Thu 1/30/1997 2 KB 539 Re: D: Thief Plumer, Scott Thu 1/30/1997 2 KB 573 D: Thief Boneheads1@a... Sat 2/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 8:38 pm Subject: Tangram-parts Really-From: florin epure Tangram impressions: Part1:first 8-10 min very nice short/evolving sequences - nice coda Part2:another symphony of sounds begins,excellent start,longer sequences,coda is excellent Part 1 is more impressive as a whole as part 2, but part 2 has fantastic begin and end. Part 1+2 together make for me the best ever TD album, 5AS. I was wandering if anyone has 'sliced' tangram to the 'small parts' like presented in tangents i.e. puzzle part from xx min/sec to yy min/sec etc. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Steven Feldman, Back on the 'Net! :) Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, Well, for the most part, I'm back. I'm reaching the brownvm main- frame through a program called tn3270. It seems that the regular version of telnet put me in a unix rather than vm environment, if that makes any sense. So, I can be reached at the following two addresses: -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: RE: Vision Quest & The Wraith Really-From: sean > >I understand that the CD soundtrack for 'Vision Quest' does not contain > >Tangerine Dream music, but the video does and Tangerine Dream is credited > >for the music on the cover. There's TD music in the movie, but not a lot. What little there was didn't make the CD, since the money people involved figured the Madonna and Journey tracks would rake in the bucks. I recall only one major sequence in the film, where the lead character is in a climatic wrestling match. The music here is similar to 'Taking the Park' from The Park is Mine...maybe a bit of 'The Kitchen' from Legend. Nothing spectacular, unless you're a total completist....and we don't have anyone like that on the mailing list, of course. ;-) As for Wraith, I haven't even heard of it, but there are at least two dozen movies out there with unreleased TD music. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 9:14 pm Subject: Re: D: Thief Really-From: sean > A friend of mine met Michael Mann a few months ago, and when asked about > TD he had nothing but praise for them, from their music to their > business relationship. He said his only regret was that he couldn't get > them to do more soundtracks. I recall reading once that Mann wanted TD to score the Miami Vice series, but they were already tied up with Streethawk, or something like that. So we got Jan Hammer instead! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Edgar & Co. never gave a damn on what other people (e.g. listeners > and fans) thought. That is the reason why they could produce > so much good music over a quarter of a century. > Armin Theissen I agree with you, Armin. An artist should always go his own path. *But*, I think, an artist should always listen to the opinions of the listeners. What an artist will do with these opinions is his own cup of tea. Now they aren't going their own path (listen to Dream mixes and the various samplers - I call it lack of inspiration). This is the reason why they could produce so much good music for only 20 years. (sorry if I may offend some of you) Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 11:23 pm Subject: Re: D; Tangram Really-From: Paul Edwards At 18:03 +1000 on 27/1/97, Phil wrote: > << Really-From: Paul Edwards > > > Tangram was my first ever TD purchase, and, I believe, itr's one of their > top four or five albums. >> > > Yet you only give it a 4AS???? Meaning you only give out one or two 5's for > all of TD? Yep. Three to be precise: Cyclone, Electronic Meditation, and Tyger. No, no, only joking: the three are Force Majeure, Richocet and Logos Live. IMO, these three do stand ahead of the rest of the pack; hence when confronted with a five point integer scale, these three get five and the next rung down get 'fours'. BTW, I actually took the time out last night to do *nothing* except for listening to some music -- it's something I've not done for over two years! A sultry summer's evening, various oil burners in place, a darkened room, TD (Tangram, FWIW), FSOL, Oldfield and Jarre on the stereo -- I must do it more often! Cheers, Paul -- Paul Edwards * IT Consultant * email: p.edwards@i... Services Delivery, ITS * Phone: +61 3 934 44624 The University of Melbourne * Fax: +61 3 9347 4803 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled -- Plutarch From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Really-From: Steven Feldman I saw a sealed copy of this at a local Sam Goody's recently, but it was at a location going-out-business sale, so I'll not be seeing that particular copy again. ;) :( Anyone else seen this, yet? It is in a cardboard cover with silver ink. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 490 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Robert Grabowsky Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 503 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Vic Rek Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 506 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD slawlor Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 507 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Gabe Yedid Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 511 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Gabe Yedid Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 515 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Robert Grabowsky Wed 1/29/1997 3 KB 520 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD TWeibre361@a... Wed 1/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: All I Have re the 3 Diff. Vers. of RISKY BUSINESS Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, The following are re-posts: -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:19:52 EDT From: Steven Feldman Subject: THE COMPLETE RISKY BUSINESS To: Tangerine Dream Digest With all the boots floating around, I'm surprised that no one has issued one with all the obscure RISKY BUSINESS-related material. After all, there are a total of 12 RISKY BUSINESS musical tracks that do not appear on the CD. Let me explain: originally, the UK RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack was issued on LP with TD tracks evocative of LEGEND; and later, the LP (and CD) was issued with music evocative of WHITE EAGLE-- while there was a 2-LP hype package of RISKY BUSINESS promos (named 'Risky Business // The Audio Movie Kit') that contained an interview with Chris Franke and 8 TD tracks. Only one track on the original pressing of the LP is the same as those on the second pressing/CD, but I forget which it is. Here's what's on the three records at issue, with running times quoted from VOICES IN THE DUNES (except for that of Track 2 on the First Pressing of the LP, which was listed incorrectly): RISKY BUSINESS--First UK LP Pressing (LEGEND-like sound) Matrix stamp on LP side 1: A-2U-1-1 Matrix stamp on LP side 2: B-1U-1-1 FROM SIDE ONE: Track 2.) 'The Dream is Always the Same' ..... 2:20 Track 3.) 'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' 1:55 [VOICES is wrong] Track 4.) 'Guido the Killer Pimp' ............ 4:17 Track 5.) 'Lana' ............................. 3:52 FROM SIDE TWO: Track 11.) 'Love on a Real Train' ........... + 2:15 ------ Total Running Time 14:39 RISKY BUSINESS--Second UK LP Pressing and CD (WHITE EAGLE-like sound) Matrix stamp on LP side 1: A-3U-1-1 Matrix stamp on LP side 2: B-3U-1-1 FROM SIDE ONE: Track 2.) 'The Dream is Always the Same' ..... 3:42 Track 3.) 'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' 2:00 Track 4.) 'Guido the Killer Pimp' ............ 4:18 Track 5.) 'Lana' ............................. 3:51 FROM SIDE TWO: Track 11.) 'Love on a Real Train' ........... + 3:58 ------ Total Running Time 17:49 RISKY BUSINESS // THE AUDIO MOVIE KIT: (Demo-like sound) FROM SIDE ONE: 'Featurette #9' [Chris Franke interview] ...... 2:38 FROM SIDE FOUR: First Untitled Track .......................... 1:21 Second Untitled Track ......................... 1:46 Third Untitled Track .......................... 3:04 Fourth Untitled Track .......................... :30 Fifth Untitled Track ........................... :24 Sixth Untitled Track ........................... :11 Seventh Untitled Track ......................... :57 Eighth Untitled Track ....................... + 3:08 ------ Total Running Time 13:59 RISKY BUSINESS--first UK LP Pressing .......... 14:39 RISKY BUSINESS--second UK LP Pressing and CD .. 17:49 RISKY BUSINESS // THE AUDIO MOVIE KIT ....... + 13:59 ----- Combined Total of the Three Sources 46:27 - 14:39 ------ Rare RISKY BUSINESS Stuff (minus the CD Tracks) 31:48 Don't forget that one track on the original pressing of the LP is identical to the corresponding track on the second pressing/CD, but I forgot which it was. Now then, don't you think the above-mentioned material would make for a nice boot? And if so, how about rounding out the package by putting all the material (46:27) together on one boot and adding the 'Lady Greengrass' single (by Edgar's earlier band, the Ones) and the 'Ultima Thule' single? It would add up to about an hour. See below: LADY GREENGRASS A-SIDE: 'Lady Greengrass' ............................. ? (According to one LADY GREENGRASS B-SIDE: collector's list, the 'Love of Mine ................................. 6:00 sides total six mins.) ULTIMA THULE A-SIDE: 'Ultima Thule (Part 1)' ....................... 3:25 ULTIMA THULE B-SIDE: 'Ultima Thule (Part 2)' ..................... + 4:22 ------ Total Running Time 13:47 RISKY BUSINESS--first UK LP Pressing .......... 14:39 RISKY BUSINESS--second UK LP Pressing and CD .. 17:49 RISKY BUSINESS // THE AUDIO MOVIE KIT ......... 13:59 LADY GREENGRASS and ULTIMA THULE singles .... + 13:47 ----- Combined Total of the Four Sources 60:14 The biggest question is: why do I go to such lengths just to fantasize about a project that will probably never take place? I dunno, but it's a real shame not to make available all three sources of RISKY BUSINESS music in one place . . . and to add on the music from the two singles would be great because the only other way to obtain the music on them would require buying two import-only CDs! P.S.: I'm the one who discovered the difference between the two versions of the commercially-available RISKY BUSINESS LPs, in the first place. Originally, I told one of the Grygorcewicz brothers about it, and the info was then passed on to the compilers of VOICES IN THE DUNES (which, back then, was to be called MUSIC IN THE RUINS). Steven Feldman -- 80 Forest St., #5, Providence, RI 02906-2630; INTERNET: , BITNET: . DREAMS WORD -- Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: TD, the Nightcrawlers, Slepian, Ozric Tentacles, Cluster & Burmer. ======================================================================== 173 Date: Tue, 07 May 96 22:02:28 EDT From: Steven Feldman Subject: New Info re the Two Versions of RISKY BUSINESS To: Tangerine Dream Digest Howdy All, After looking for five years, I've finally happened across another copy of the first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack. This time, though, the record has yet *another* pair of matrix stamp numbers. The first version I ever saw was: RISKY BUSINESS--First UK LP Pressing (LEGEND-like sound) Matrix stamp on LP side 1: 2302 A-2U-1-1 Matrix stamp on LP side 2: 2302 B-1U-1-1 and the second version I ever saw was: RISKY BUSINESS--Second UK LP Pressing and CD (WHITE EAGLE-like sound) Matrix stamp on LP side 1: 2302 A-3U-1-1 Matrix stamp on LP side 2: 2302 B-3U-1-1 but now, I have a third version that has the following numbers: RISKY BUSINESS--1.5 (?) UK LP Pressing (LEGEND-like sound) Matrix stamp on LP side 1: 2302 A-2U-1-1 Matrix stamp on LP side 2: 2302 B-2U-1-1-1 The track times on this 1.5 version are the same as those on the First version. Also, while I'm here, I may as well clear something up. VOICES IN THE DUNES incorrectly gives '3. No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' a time of 2:55 for the LP (p. 190), but the correct time is 1:55. VOICES IN THE DUNES also incorrectly lists the matrix code on p. 191 as being '2303-A-2U-1-1' when it should be '2302 A-2U-1-1' Last but not least, VOICES IN THE DUNES incorrectly lists the matrix code on p. 193 as being '2302-A-3U-1-1' when it should be '2302 A-3U-1-1' I know that this seems rather picky, but now you know. P.S.: I'm the one who discovered the difference between the two versions of the commercially-available RISKY BUSINESS LPs, in the first place. Originally, I told one of the Grygorcewicz brothers about it, and the info was then passed on to the compilers of VOICES IN THE DUNES (which, back then, was to be called MUSIC IN THE RUINS). -- Steven Feldman & From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 27, 1997 11:59 pm Subject: Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Really-From: Robert Grabowsky At 10:57 PM 1/27/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > I saw a sealed copy of this at a local Sam Goody's recently, but it >was at a location going-out-business sale, so I'll not be seeing that >particular copy again. ;) :( > Anyone else seen this, yet? It is in a cardboard cover with silver >ink. > > -- Steven Feldman and > Steven, I have seen it and I own it.The music is GREAT and goes well with the movie.If you need help getting it let me know. Robert HGHLNDR@w...> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 12:04 am Subject: _-_-_-_Celestine Prophecy_-_-_-_ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Hi, Everyone, Another off subject meander, sorry, but I felt the need to ask. Franke's 'Celestine Prophecy' has seen much play at our house of late. I guess it helps to dilute the winter doldrums. While it was playing the other day, I happened to look at the liner notes, and way in the back where it says, 'Music Composed by Christopher Franke/Music Performed by Christopher Franke and the Berlin Philharmonic Film Orchestra/Conducted by Alan Wagner.' it goes on to say 'Additional Performances by . . .' and rattles off a multitude of other names including Paul Horn. My thoughts were, 'How much of this music _was_ composed by Franke and how much was written by others?' I thought when I heard it the first few times that it was extremely multi-faceted, perhaps too multi-faceted to have been written by one person, at least in a short period of time. Is it possible that Frank wrote the main themes and the bridges connecting some of the other sections, (no mean task in itself ) and this is just, other than that, a collection of 'New Age' pacifiers? I still like it, though. Phil N. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 534 Re: _-_-_-_Celestine Prophecy_-_-_-_ PhilPDX@a... Thu 1/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 4:18 am Subject: RE: D: Thief Really-From: Jim Moore I recall reading once that Mann wanted TD to score the Miami Vice series, but they were already tied up with Streethawk, or something like that. So we got Jan Hammer instead! [Jim Moore] I bet TD still kicks themselves over that one... - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 1:04 am Subject: 'Thief' Discog Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi, Here's what I have so far. I wish I had 'Voices' so that I didn't have to bug you guys for the basics and could go right to the post-1990 updates. Oh well. Composed and performed: summer of 1980 by the (then current) lineup. Nine tracks which got more or less on 10 releases: 4 LPs, 3 cassettes, and 3 CDs. THIEF -OST- [Summer 80] - EF/CF/JS 1- Beach Theme [3:46] 2- Dr. Destructo [3:19] 3- Diamond Diary [10:50] 4- Burning Bar [3:12] 5- Beach Scene [6:52] 6- Scrap Yard [4:39] 7- Trap Feeling [2:59] 8- Igneous [4:46] Note: Times are actual times from TAND12 as read from CD player. 1LP [1981] Virgin-GB- V 2198 [1981] Virgin-DE- 203 472-270 1MC [1981] Electra-US- 5C-552-1 [1981] Virgin-CA- VL4 2213 [1981] Virgin-DE- 403 472-352 1CD [19??] Virgin-GB- CDV 2198 [19??] Virgin-DE- 253 472 [1995] Virgin-NL- TAND12 (digital master) THIEF-extended -OST- -- limited issue of THIEF (that adds...) 9- Confrontation [?:??] 1LP [1981] Virgin-DE- 203 472-320 [1981] Elektra-US- 5E-521 On Jan 27th, AT wrote: > > I've bought the Vinyl immediatly as it was released in Germany back > in 1981. It is identical to the SBM CD (with Beach SCENCE, but without > Confrontation), but the track listing on the cover does not say > Beach Scene, but lists Confrontation by this other guy (whose name > eludes me for the moment). So the cover info there is wrong. > > Armin Does that mean your LP is catalogue number '203 472-270', Armin? -- if so, I will list it with the comment (cover error: lists 'Confrontation' instead of 'Beach Scene') Cover Art: What about covers? -- any different from the usual: A posterized photo of James Caan wearing sunglasses with the flash of an explosion in the background and, somehow, reflected in his glasses? Cheers, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 3:18 am Subject: Tangents summary re:Logos Really-From: feldon@n... In a recent summary of the contents of Tangents (which was posted here), a star appeared next to every song that was completely reperformed by Edgar. Logos (Blue), (Red) and (Velvet) were all starred. I think this is a mistake because only Blue seems to be 'from scratch'. Having listened to the CD and the boot of the concert, Red and Velvet are from the concert with the standard Tangents treatment: bass thickening, re-equalizing and sinewaves (can someone give me a better name for the smooth 'sweet' pure synth string-like sound that Edgar laid over about 1/3rd of Tangents songs?). Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 8:28 am Subject: Re: Recent TD works Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:54:58 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Now they aren't going their own path (listen to Dream mixes >and the various samplers - I call it lack of inspiration). >This is the reason why they could produce so much good music >for only 20 years. (sorry if I may offend some of you) > >Marcel If what you say means that you don't like the music they played in the so-called Melrose and Seattle years, don't you think that Goblins Club is a step into a new direction? I must say, it's only now that I begin to appreciate the 'Melrose Years' music (which began to sound trite after 'Lily on the Beach' which in my view is a rather positive album that offers some little light music in spite of not producing anything groundbreaking), and the Seattle Years are something I still don't, musically, understand. What I really really like about Goblins Club is that they seem to reduce their use of guitars as the main lead voice and of saxophone solos, both of which they have been taking a bit over the top recently. I think you can actually appreciate the intricacies of the composition more if you don't have a really loud guitar roaring from beginning to end... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 6:22 am Subject: Re: CD Addicts Really-From: TheSmitter@a... << > 2400 CDs !!! YOU _ARE_ crazy. I start culling my herd when it reaches > 800. I do the same at about 750. Lack of space and some of my cds are dogs so why keep 'em? Geez, now I don't feel so bad for having a mere 500 discs. Nonetheless, I do confess to being an addict. The crinkle of the plastic wrap, the waft of fresh booklet ink: these are my 'highs'. >> I know what you mean. Every cd I buy holds the same excitement as the first cds I bought. Guess that will never change which is fine with me. Larry Smith From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 5:54 am Subject: Re: D: Thief Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Jim Moore > > I recall reading once that Mann wanted TD to score the Miami Vice > series, but they were already tied up with Streethawk, or something > like that. So we got Jan Hammer instead! > > [Jim Moore] I bet TD still kicks themselves over that one... > > - jimbo Yes. And we fans got 'Escape From Television' and 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' from Jan -- two fine albums we probably wouldn't have seen except for Miami Vice. And we still have TD. Sounds pretty 'win-win' to me. I sincerely doubt Edgar is kicking himself -- I hear he's sold a few albums in the last 9 years. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: thief Really-From: Armin Theissen > Note: Times are actual times from TAND12 as read from CD player. > 1LP [1981] Virgin-GB- V 2198 [1981] Virgin-DE- 203 472-270 > 1MC [1981] Electra-US- 5C-552-1 [1981] Virgin-CA- VL4 2213 > [1981] Virgin-DE- 403 472-352 > 1CD [19??] Virgin-GB- CDV 2198 [19??] Virgin-DE- 253 472 > [1995] Virgin-NL- TAND12 (digital master) >THIEF-extended -OST- -- limited issue of THIEF (that adds...) > 9- Confrontation [?:??] > 1LP [1981] Virgin-DE- 203 472-320 [1981] Elektra-US- 5E-521 > > >On Jan 27th, AT wrote: >> >> I've bought the Vinyl immediatly as it was released in Germany back >> in 1981. It is identical to the SBM CD (with Beach SCENCE, but without >> Confrontation), but the track listing on the cover does not say >> Beach Scene, but lists Confrontation by this other guy (whose name >> eludes me for the moment). So the cover info there is wrong. >> >> Armin > >Does that mean your LP is catalogue number '203 472-270', Armin? -- if >so, I will list it with the comment > > (cover error: lists 'Confrontation' instead of 'Beach Scene') Hi, I cannot really check the catalogue number of my Thief Vinyl since I've got all my Vinyl in Germany (and I'm in Northern Ireland), but I'm pretty shure that all my Virgin TD Vinyls carry 9 digits catalogue number, so probably '203 472-270'. The cover is just like the CD definitive edition, except sleeve notes arranged on the back different (and correct: Schmoelling instead of Baumann, and not 'live'). Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Thief Really-From: Neal McAuley I loved the movie 'Thief' before I even found out about TD and when I got into TD later and noticed they did the music, it made the movie even better for me. I recently got the re-mastered laser disc of the movie that just came out. The only problem I had with the CD of the soundtrack was the omission of 'Confrontation' which is an incredibly good song. It's also the end theme of the movie and I've never had another soundtrack that omitted the end theme. Seems kinda silly to me to not include it on the album simply because TD didn't compose it. Of course, in all the moves I've lost my original vinyl of Thief so all I have left is a bad tape copy of 'Confrontation' on a tape somewhere. Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6051 Re: Thief John Wilson Tue 7/22/1997 2 KB 6052 Re: Thief Hilmar_Kraft@n... Tue 7/22/1997 4 KB 6073 Re: Thief Mark Filipak Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB 6078 Re: Thief PNaunton@a... Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6084 Re: Thief Plumer, Scott Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6092 Re: Thief feldon@p... Wed 7/23/1997 3 KB 6095 Re: Thief Plumer, Scott Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6112 Re: Thief Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB 6117 Re: Thief Plumer, Scott Thu 7/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 10:26 am Subject: TD Touring in Europe ??? Really-From: Jeroen Geerts ** High Priority ** Just curious.... A few weeks ago, there was a rumour that TD might be touring through Europe. Has anyone heard since then something more specific about this...... Jeroen jjg.geerts@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 505 Re: TD Touring in Europe ??? Rainer Rutka Tue 1/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 5:29 pm Subject: td tour Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: Jeroen Geerts > > >** High Priority ** > >Just curious.... > >A few weeks ago, there was a rumour that TD might >be touring through Europe. > >Has anyone heard since then something more >specific about this...... > > >Jeroen > >jjg.geerts@w... > > Hi, it is not a rumour anymore, but definitive - have a look on the official TD webpage. They start in Germany in April. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1042 td tour Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1058 Re: td tour Matt Williams Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1066 Re: td tour Mark Filipak Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB 1486 td tour Michal Balcerzak Thu 3/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 2:44 pm Subject: THE WRAITH Really-From: Michael A Jean I used to play this video on occaision when I worked in a audio/video store...From what I remember, there wasn't much 'music' at all...It was pretty much incidental washes of sound, and some disturbing squeals etc... You may already know this, but M Hoenig is currently composing the music to NBC's DARKSKIES series on Saturday nights... Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 504 Re: THE WRAITH Richard Ingram Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 3:06 pm Subject: Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Really-From: Vic Rek I've see copies of this floating around. I have one myself. If anybody needs a copy, drop me a private e-mail. Vic > > I saw a sealed copy of this at a local Sam Goody's recently, but it >was at a location going-out-business sale, so I'll not be seeing that >particular copy again. ;) :( > Anyone else seen this, yet? It is in a cardboard cover with silver >ink. >> -- Steven Feldman and > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 506 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD slawlor Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB 507 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Gabe Yedid Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 3:21 pm Subject: Re: THE WRAITH Really-From: 'Richard Ingram' On Jan 28, 8:44am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: THE WRAITH > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > I used to play this video on occaision when I worked in a audio/video > store...From what I remember, there wasn't much 'music' at all...It was > pretty much incidental washes of sound, and some disturbing squeals etc... > > You may already know this, but M Hoenig is currently composing the music > to NBC's DARKSKIES series on Saturday nights... Yeah noticed that last night while watching in the UK. Does anyone know if a soundtrack album will be released ? Richard. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 3:52 pm Subject: Re: TD Touring in Europe ??? Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Jeroen Geerts > > > ** High Priority ** > > Just curious.... > > A few weeks ago, there was a rumour that TD might > be touring through Europe. > > Has anyone heard since then something more > specific about this...... OH YES ! Look the Tangerine Dream Homepage ! You'll find some of the tour-dates there ;-) I will be in Munich in April ! C Ya ! Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 7:30 pm Subject: Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Really-From: slawlor Hi there. What is this sound track you guys are talking about? What does it sound like, and what t dream erra is it from. thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 507 Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Gabe Yedid Tue 1/28/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Re: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: slawlor > > > Hi there. What is this sound track you guys are talking about? What > does it sound like, and what t dream erra is it from. thanks for the > information. _Tenchi-Muyo In Love_ is an anime feature flick based on the 'Tenchi-Muyo' TV series. Chris Franke wrote the music for the film, in a style closest to B5, but with hardly any synth at all (but that is what the producers wanted). The ST also has one more rock-oriented song, 'Alchemy of Love' (music and lyrics by Chris) which I'd describe as appallingly bad. > scott K. Lawlor Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 9:05 pm Subject: Lily on vinyl Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' While perusing WorldCat, I noiced a citation for Lily on the Beach on vinyl. What was their last vinyl release? Lily? There was no citation for a vinyl Melrose. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 28, 1997 9:03 pm Subject: Some finds for the completist Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was cruising WorldCat today, and I located a few items of interest. Each one is a collection that features a TD track. Collection Track Year Space Daze: Movements of a visionary 92 Starscape Electric Lion 94 Sampler 5 Melrose & E. Lion 90 Metropolis Valley of the Kings 94 Best New Age Zen Garden 94 Something else for the completists to buy :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 29, 1997 4:21 am Subject: td on vinyl Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >While perusing WorldCat, I noiced a citation for Lily on the Beach on >vinyl. What was their last vinyl release? Lily? There was no citation >for a vinyl Melrose. > >Scott > Melrose was released on Vinyl - I've got it. The last TD I could get on Vinyl was Rockoon. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 512 Re: td on vinyl Steven Feldman Wed 1/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 29, 1997 2:13 am Subject: RE: TENCHI THE MOVIE Sonic Atmospheres/Pioneer CD Really-From: Jim Moore Really-From: Gabe Yedid The ST also has one more rock-oriented song, 'Alchemy of Love' (music and lyrics by Chris) which I'd describe as appallingly bad. [Jim Moore] Can anyone come up with a lyrical song by Franke that has been remarkable? The closest I can think of is 'Song of Freedom' from the McBain soundtrack... Later! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: td on vinyl Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: td on vinyl >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:21:31 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Armin T