From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Released by Virgin as VD 2507, for 3 years in a row starting in 76. Hate to disappoint you, but _Ages_ was first released in March, 1978. It was briefly reissued in Germany in 1984. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 4:01 pm Subject: Re: d:risky business Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greeting all! >Really-From: David Datta > >: Track 6 - 0:11 (?) > >This track would be called 'Catching the Egg', it is in the movie when >he is catching the crystal egg that Guido's girl throws from the >truck. Thanks! I've only seen the movie straight through _once_, so I just couldn't remember the 'sting' used for that scene. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 5:03 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: Mark Filipak Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> Greetings all! >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Released by Virgin as VD 2507, for 3 years in a row starting in 76. Hate to disappoint you, but _Ages_ was first released in March, 1978. It was briefly reissued in Germany in 1984. << Oh my, You're absolutely right. Where did I get my bogus information? I wish I had the album to reference to. Does this look better Hermes? AGES [??? 77] - EF 1- Metropolis [11:00] 2- Era Of The Slaves [8:05] 3- Tropic Of Capricorn [21:06] 4- Nights Of Automatic Women [9:00] 5- Icarus [9:07] 6- Childrens Deeper Study [4:21] 7- Ode To Granny A. [4:39] 8- Pizzaro And Atahuallpa [7:30] 9- Golgatha And The Circle Closes [8:30] 2LP [1978] Virgin-??- VD 2507 [1984] Virgin-DE- 25 756 XBT 1MC [19??] Virgin-??- ???... Regards, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 5:31 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > AGES [??? 77] - EF > 1- Metropolis [11:00] 2- Era Of The Slaves [8:05] > 3- Tropic Of Capricorn [21:06] 4- Nights Of Automatic Women [9:00] > 5- Icarus [9:07] 6- Childrens Deeper Study [4:21] > 7- Ode To Granny A. [4:39] 8- Pizzaro And Atahuallpa [7:30] > 9- Golgatha And The Circle Closes [8:30] > 2LP [1978] Virgin-??- VD 2507 > [1984] Virgin-DE- 25 756 XBT > 1MC [19??] Virgin-??- ???... > > > Regards, > > Mark Ages recorded from August to November 1977 released in March 1978. Side 1: A. Metropolis 11:00 B. Era of the Slaves 8:05 Side 2: A. Tropic of Capricorn 21:06 Side 3: A. Nights of Automatic Women 9:00 B. Icarus 9:07 C. Children's deeper study 4:21 Side 4: A. Ode to Granny A 4:39 B. Pizarro and Atahuallpa 7:30 C. Golgotha and the Circle closes8:30 Total time both LPs 83:18 Recorded and mixed in The Amber Studios in Berlin. Mixing engineer Ottmar Bergler Album dedicated to his wife Monique and his son Jerome One version with blue artist name and title and one version with green name and title. Cassette-label: #C 45803/4 (2 C-44s). Nice pics. of Edgar NOT laughing. When you open the 2LP, there is a photograph on the bottom of the picture. Is it Jerome? It probably is. And the picture of the city. Is it Los Angeles? Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:06 am Subject: Shy People Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, > True. In fact, I think 'The Harbor,' which has a *male* vocal >track, is the best of the three--insofar as it kicks ass--somewhat >like the Chris Franke track off the '70-'80 box set, 'Chimes and >Chains.' > Perhaps I should be embarrassed, but the *instrumental* version >of the title track almost brings a tear to my eye in its beauty >insofar as it is similar to the beauty of 'Yellowstone Park' (off >the LE PARC album). We saw the film of 'Shy People' last year and it is a remarkably good film and well worth checking out although I suspect it was not put out with the help of the Southern States tourist board. We were wondering where 'Dancing on a white moon' fitted in the film but if you listen carefully to the radio playing in the daughter's bedroom, there is is. The film version of these tracks is slightly different from the album version. (maybe it's just our ropey video) Our favourite track is : Civilised Illusions but 'Dancing on a White Moon' and the 'Shy People (Instrumental)' are also superb. One final quesion : who was the tall dark, shadowy figure stomping through the swamp? Cheers david Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 108 Re: Shy People Jim Moore Mon 1/13/1997 2 KB 9537 Shy People Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Sat 12/20/1997 4 KB 30429 Shy People E Neal Frost Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30431 Re: Shy People Michael Jean Wed 12/5/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 5:43 pm Subject: Extra on Froese LPs Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Both Macula Transfer and Ages are absolutely his best solo-projects. It's a sacrilege that there not transferred on CD yet! Is Froese not happy with these recordings or is it those f*ck*ng recording-companies? Luckily I have them both and I've transferred them on CDR anyway. Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 6:33 pm Subject: CDs at cost extended Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi fellow dreamers, Two are gone, so I now have 12 CDs on reserve at a used record store. Since I've been sick the store has extended my reserved status on these until 6AM GMT Tuesday. If anybody in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to just pick these up, then there will be no shipping of course (deduct $1.50). in USA to Int. <<-- ALL TAX AND SHIPPING IS INCLUDED -- ------ ------ 1- -----sold----- 'Zentrum fur Elektronische Musik' Pete Namlook 2- $10.10 $11.60 'The Way Out Is The Way In' Audio Active and Laraaji 3- $12.25 $13.75 'Drive Inn' Schulze/Bloss 4- $11.18 $12.68 'City Raga' Popol Vuh 5- $15.48 $16.98 'Concert Program' 2CD Penguin Cafe Orchestra 6- -----sold----- 'In The Beginning' Hawkwind (early comp?) 7- $9.03 $10.53 'Earthwalk' Max Lasser's Ark (a favorite of mine) 8- $7.95 $9.45 'Tycho Brahe' Lightwave (including Paul Haslinger) 9- $7.95 $9.45 'Grand Eagle' Ed Van Fleet 10- $7.95 $9.45 'Oceans' Ed Van Fleet 11- $7.95 $9.45 'Moonlight Reflections' Dancing Fantasy 12- $7.95 $9.45 'Day Dream' Dancing Fantasy 13- $7.95 $9.45 'New Music for Films, Vol 1' Chris Franke 14- $7.95 $9.45 'Miramar Ten' Miramar Sampler Includes Oriental Haze [3:53] from Rockoon Special plus Jan Hammer, Rich Burmer, Paul Speer, John Serrie,... (nobody obnoxious, no cheese) If you want any of these contact me off-list. The prices above will put them in a box, through the post, and into your hands. Cheers, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 9:39 pm Subject: RE: Shy People Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >One final quesion : who was the tall dark, shadowy figure stomping through >the swamp? That was the husband (to Hershey's character; father to her children) who was often spoken about as though he was dead. That point is kind of blurred when Butrick's character shows up at the end of the movie (and permanently turns off the TV). - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 9:34 pm Subject: Re: CELESTINE PROPHECY: only 1 good track! :( Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-10 14:28:10 EST, you write: << Yes, it *is* well-produced and blends together well as a unit, but so do George Michael and Michael Bolton albums. :( ;) >> Well, perhaps I did make too much of this, Steve, but I think you have gone too far the other way. Admittedly, there is some clearly defined pablum in this release, but I do find some of the compositions quite breathtaking. The variety of style, I also find interesting. Particularly the oriental flavors, which I have a affinity towards, are very well done. I will agree, some of Franke's other releases are more dynamic, but I am impressed with the fact that this is his first 'concept album', and that as a 'concept album' this is quite well done. I am also relieved that Franke is aparently not resting on his laurels as a Babalon 5 composer, but is instead exploring some other avenues of creative composing. Pablum not withstanding. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: RE: Electronic Dreams Really-From: rch@g... Electronic Dreams definitely exists as an LP. I have a copy of it: it has a mouse on the cover. But don't waste your time looking for a CD edition, it doesn't exist... :( I'm not sure but I think it's just a collection of previously released Froese tracks Keep dreaming Richard From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: TD Bonn concert Really-From: Christian von_Toerne Hi, fellow TaDreamers, I'm taking the fact that I bought my concert tickets for the Bonn concert (tour start) on April 11 to make a suggestion to all ppl that will be at this concert, too: What about meeting before the concert starts? I mean, like the meeting before the Shep's Bush concert (I wasn't at the pub, darn!). If there are ppl interested, please let me know, because I happen to live in Bonn, and I could organize a table or a room in a bar or bistro. Any comments? Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Monografie Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Having to work over the weekend had at least one good side : I just picked up a nice new item at Milano airport : New Age Music and New Sounds - Monografie , Musica Elettronica II A hardcover magazine with CD, inc. Franke, TD, Schulze and many others, a longer article on Chris, and a few nice pictures in the book. Their web site is : www.newsounds.it -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2240 Monografie Vic Rek Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: ELECTRONIC DREAMS Really-From: Michael A Jean It does exist, I have it. Its not a big item, because it only consists of half of AQUA, and half of EPSILON. Although now I'm informed that one of the songs has been recorded backwards. I'll have to check this out to be sure....Maybe this will start a new craze of playing TD music backwards (HA)! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 116 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS PENFOLD Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 431 ELECTRONIC DREAMS Mark Filipak Sat 1/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 12, 1997 11:02 pm Subject: Olympics Really-From: Michael A Jean What he was probably refering to was 'A Time For Heroes' which was a cd for the 1987 Special Olympics. It came out on lp, cassette, and CD. THe cd has an extended mix of the song. It was just a single, not a whole album of material. ( Meatloaf, performs a vocal version on the other side!...I'm not kidding!). It is probably one of my LEAST favorite TD songs ever... There were releases of music from/for the 96 Olypmics, but none had TD on it. I watched the ceremonies, but I don't remeber what tracks they played...was one LeParc? Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 118 Re: Olympics Vic Rek Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 119 Re: Olympics Hermes Guzman Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 121 Re: Olympics Traviss Willcox Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 123 Re: Olympics Christian von_Toerne Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:50 am Subject: RE: Electronic Dreams At 22:20 97·01·12 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: rch@g... >Electronic Dreams definitely exists as an LP. I have a copy of it: it has a >mouse on the cover. You fergot to mention that it has a patch cord plug on the end of it's tail. 'The world of music is something on its own. It's absolutely dust-free, clear, and clean. Music is one of the most neutral things on earth. It symbolizes the 'highest frequency' of all art forms in its abstract, neutral manner.' - Edgar Froese /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:50 am Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS At 17:09 97·01·12 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean >It does exist, I have it. Its not a big item, because it only consists of >half of AQUA, and half of EPSILON. Although now I'm informed that one of >the songs has been recorded backwards. I'll have to check this out to be >sure....Maybe this will start a new craze of playing TD music backwards >(HA)! I got a copy of it too. I never played it though. Now I don't own a record player (that works) any more. STURGEON'S LAW: 99% of Everything is Crud. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:05 am Subject: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Vic Rek I was reading the booklet in Dream Roots Collection and in the 'Pink Years' section it hints that Edgar is from Lithuania? Is this true, and if so, which town? Or is the text just mis-leading? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 186 Re: Edgar's Birthplace Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 4 KB 190 Re: Edgar's Birthplace Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 191 Re: Edgar's Birthplace Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:16 am Subject: Re: Olympics Really-From: Vic Rek >-quote From: Michael A Jean > >What he was probably refering to was 'A Time For Heroes' which was a cd >for the 1987 Special Olympics. It came out on lp, cassette, and CD. Yes, this is true and there also is a promotional issue of the CD in a cardboard sleeve. Does anybody have this promo issue? I am curious if the actual disc is different from the store issue or is it just the packaging that is different? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:07 am Subject: Re: Olympics Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Yes, this is true and there also is a promotional issue of the CD in a >cardboard sleeve. Does anybody have this promo issue? I am curious if the >actual disc is different from the store issue or is it just the packaging >that is different? The promo issue that I have is in a stiff, clear plastic slipcover, with two inserts; the regular insert that came with the store issue, and another with some promotional information on it. The disc contents are exactly the same. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:02 am Subject: Re: Good Buys Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-12 09:25:03 EST, you write: << Obligatory TD material -_-_-_-_- >> Which apparently got chopped off during transmission, or more likely I didn't paste it in. The rest to follow. Apologies. Is there any indication that Edgar Froese might release some of the probable heaps of old TD tapes that he no doubt has in archive? There must be thousands of hours of unreleased work after over twenty years of recording. If he doesn't make these available, at least he should transfer it onto a more reliable medium before the tapes are no longer playable. That is assuming they exist at all. Sigh. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: RE: Olympics Really-From: Traviss Willcox >There were releases of music from/for the 96 >Olypmics, but none had TD on it. I watched the ceremonies, but I don't >remeber what tracks they played...was one LeParc? >Mike J Don't think there was anything from Le Parc but one that I definetely noticed was 'Warsaw in the Sun' which is from a single extracted from the Poland album. Traviss From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:02 am Subject: Dream Roots cheap at HMV in UK! Really-From: 'Marco Cinnirella' Just to let any UK friends know that I saw the Dream Roots Box set for stlg25 Pounds Sterling at the Bond Street HMV shop in Oxford Street, London recently. It was placed in a sale section - and in typical HMV style, the same box set was also in the 'Box Sets' section for stlg33! I don't know whether its at stlg25 at other HMVs in the UK, but stlg25 really is a bit of a bargain, even if you only want the unreleased material on CD5. Marco Cinnirella London, UK uhjt009@r... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: Olympics Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > What he was probably refering to was 'A Time For Heroes' which was a cd > for the 1987 Special Olympics. It came out on lp, cassette, and CD. THe > cd has an extended mix of the song. It was just a single, not > a whole album of material. ( Meatloaf, performs a vocal version on the > other side!...I'm not kidding!). It is probably one of my LEAST favorite > TD songs ever... > > There were releases of music from/for the 96 > Olypmics, but none had TD on it. I watched the ceremonies, but I don't > remeber what tracks they played...was one LeParc? I recall one piece was 'LA StreeHawk' from LeParc. I will check on the other 2 pieces. > > Mike J > > > Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: bonn concert and meeting Really-From: Armin Theissen >Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > >Hi, fellow TaDreamers, > >I'm taking the fact that I bought my concert tickets for the Bonn >concert (tour start) on April 11 to make a suggestion to all ppl >that will be at this concert, too: What about meeting before the >concert starts? I mean, like the meeting before the Shep's Bush >concert (I wasn't at the pub, darn!). If there are ppl interested, >please let me know, because I happen to live in Bonn, and I could >organize a table or a room in a bar or bistro. > >Any comments? > >Chris > > though I lived in Bonn for 10 years, I don't know too many good places close to the Beethovenhalle in Bonn, except the 'Bazooka', but this is too small and too much people mind the punk audience. The 'Rosa Lu' is unfortunately a bit too far, definetly too far in terms of walking distance... If you have suggestions, Christian, or anybody else, please let me know. I maintain a web page of pubs in Bonn and would like to make this more complete. (http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/bonn/app.html) cheers Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:38 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-12 07:23:40 EST, you write: << They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it at all. >> tricky is to electronic music what td is to gospel...what a farce.... tom w np: laraaji - flow goes the universe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 1:00 pm Subject: Live FAQ Contest Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Well...so far only _2_ people have submitted a guess. Hmmm...... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 3:13 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: Michael A Jean IT'S TRUE!!! On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Mark Filipak wrote: > << > > Although now I'm informed that one of the songs has been recorded > backwards. I'll have to check this out to be sure....Maybe this will > start a new craze of playing TD music backwards (HA)! > > MJ > >> > > Let us know if this backwards version of 'Maroubra Bay' is for real or > just another cruel 'John is dead' joke. > > > I played it last night, and the story is true. I always thought there was something different about the album, but I guess I never played them back to back before. It is amazing this info has never come out before...(Not even 'Voices...' makes reference to the error. Maybe Edgar doesn't even know about it! Who else knew about this??? How and when was this first discovered? BTW: The album came out in 1976 on Brain records, only on LP. Mike Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 176 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS ajogon@m... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 197 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 179 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS PNaunton@a... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 194 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS ajogon@m... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 195 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Plumer, Scott Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 205 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Mark Filipak Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:40 pm Subject: Re: TD and Olympics Really-From: sean > I watched the opening ceremonies of the olympics in Atlanta this last past > summer and noticed that they played at least 2 different CD tracks Those tracks were from Poland (The segment of Barbakane titled 'Warsaw in the Sun'), and Le Parc (L.A. - Streethawk). A Time for Heroes (The Theme of the 1987 Special Olympics, that TD composed) is somewhere between Barbakane and Optical Race in terms of its 'sound'. Anthemic; with electronic horn sounds....and cheesy as Velveeta. In fact, it sounds like it could have been a theme from some early eighties TV action show (like Streethawk? Hee hee!). It was a limited edition, and as such it's quite the collector's item, but I traded mine because I really just didn't care for it much. I'm sure a few hard core collectors on the list still have copies though! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 2:45 pm Subject: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak ** Long Post ** Hi Dreamers, I've been going through my CDs recently culling out the weak ones, and came across 'The London Concert' and 'Pacific Coast Highway.' No, I'm not going to cut out either, but it does remind me of the fact that I found 'Klemania,' boring and derivative and recycled it to the used-CD place. I'm not a completist and will not hesitate to get rid of a mediocre work by even the most gifted artist. So I spent several hours listening to 'The London Concert' as I worked at my computer. I then ran across an interview with Chris on why he left TD. I replayed 'The London Concert' and would like to share some of my heresies with you for general discussion. Put simply, 'Empire of Light' is a 5 minute string of sound effects. It nicely serves to put the listener into an expectant mood -- which must have been very memorable to the live audience -- but his makes the nature of the material immediately following all the more surprising and perplexing. The next track, 'Purple Waves,' is a simple, repetitious song for half of its 16:36 and comes as a real let down after 'Empire of Light's' ominous and expectant rumblings. After eight grueling minutes, it goes into a extended bridge to nowhere consisting almost exclusively of repeated argepios before returning to a reprise of the initial song for the final four minutes. Along the way, Franke hints at just about every base construction TD has ever used. Unfortunately, these constructions are dropped as quickly as they are picked up without leading to any new structures -- as though we were being taken on a museum tour of ancient implements, quickly going from one diorama to the next. Every time I hear 'Purple Waves' I almost cry for its utter lack of spirit, for it's forlorn, almost powerless feeling, as though all the life had been sucked out of it -- and for missing Edgar's touch. 'Cloudburst Flight' brings back some of that old TD because it harkens to those elements of musical construction that are TD's hallmark. It layers a 16 note fugal progression, rapidly played, over an _abstract_ melody line, to which is added a guitar lead and an underlaying drum base. It's classic TD and about as different from 'Purple Waves' as you can get. It is this classical construction that is Edgars and which Chris can reproduce, as he does here, but cannot duplicate. In 'Black Garden View' Chris returns to his 'song' form. It is a very nice little song -- reminding me a bit of Pat Matheny and Lyle Mays -- but it is just a song, and not a very durable one at that. But in 'Vermilion Sands' Chris shows his strengths to perfection and reminds us again why we love him. It consists of a marvelous, 4 minute long rock'n'roll piece with backbeat percussion and abstract 'oriental' lead that is far too short for my tastes. If you didn't know it before, this composition announces to all that Chris is at heart, a rock'n'roll drummer. It would be interesting to see the music industry's reaction if Chris could put together a whole album of compositions like this one. This track inexplicably ends on a 2 minute, dramatic etude that would have felt right at home on the album 'Poland' but feels just tacked on here -- as though Chris wanted to cover all the bases. 'Mountain Heights' reminds me of a classic TD song of the Melrose years. In fact, it would fit right in on the album 'Melrose' and sound like an integral part, which is pretty surprising when you consider the fact that Chris had left TD three years prior to 'Melrose.' I've always felt that 'Dolphin Dance' was more Chris' tune than Edgar's. Hearing Chris' slightly faster rendition of it on 'The London Concert' has done nothing to dissuade me of that opinion. It's a great rock'n'roll song. I wonder what Edgar's rendition without Chris would sound like. The last track on 'The London Concert' is 'Private Diaries.' More than any other on the album, I think this song is simultaneously a statement of Chris' musical aspirations and limitations. It's a straight ahead, light rock song without vocals, again reminding me quite a bit of Pat Matheny. As nice a song as this is, its lack of development only serves to highlight Chris' inability to build more complex and lasting structures on the wonderfully rich and romantic foundations in which he excells. Listening to 'The London Concert' brings home to me how much Chris and Edgar are missing from each other and how much we are missing because they broke up. That said, I nonetheless think that Virgin-years-TD minus Edgar produces a smaller quantity than does Virgin-years-TD minus Chris. I'm not trying to say that I think that Edgar is the 'better' composer. I'm saying that they can only be obliquely compared, like trying to judge the sizes of two objects across the room from each other -- you can look at one and then the other, but you can't look at both together, at least not any more -- and when the two were together, it was impossible to tell for sure where one ended and the other began. But Edgar's compositions seem to always be unique even when repetitious whereas without Edgar's teutonic structures, Chris' compositions sometimes get formulaic and, too often, a little syrupy. I will keep 'The London Concert' dispite the weaknesses of 'Purple Waves,' 'Black Garden View,' and 'Private Diaries.' To get an idea how great this album, and all other Franke albums, could be in my humble opinion, program your CD player to play 'The London Concert' in this order 1-3-5-6-7 and see what a difference it makes. Then try 2-4-8. My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even today. Any reactions out there? Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 131 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Craig R. J. Cordrey Tue 1/14/1997 4 KB 142 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 5 KB 136 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Mark Filipak Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 145 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 156 Schmoelling, TDI, etc sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 159 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Mark Filipak Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 168 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Jim Moore Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 169 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Mark Filipak Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 175 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Doreen Williams Wed 1/15/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: D: Stratosfear AS# 4 Many thanks to the D: thread, I hadn't listened to this one in a while. All of these wonderful and interesting sound forms. And from what? Chris: Moog, Organ, Percussion, Loop Mellotron & Harpsichord Edgar: Mellotron, Moog, 12 & 6 Guitars, Grand Piano, Bass Guitar & Mouth Organ Peter: Moog, Project Electronic Rhythm Computer, Fender E Piano & Mellotron 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 138 D: Stratosfear Armin Theissen Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 149 Re: D: Stratosfear slawlor Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 174 Re: D: Stratosfear PENFOLD Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 183 Re: D: Stratosfear Paul Nagle Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 188 Re: D: Stratosfear feldon@n... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB 223 D: Stratosfear Boneheads1@a... Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB 264 D: Stratosfear Mark Filipak Sat 1/18/1997 2 KB 398 D: Stratosfear Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 1/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 11:29 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think > that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and > that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even > today. > > Any reactions out there? > > Mark I don't know about 'more commercial' but I would certainly say that the majority are 'just as commercial'. Perhaps in Chris' defence, he has shown quite a range of styles since leaving (extremes perhaps being Klemania and Celestine Prophecy). But I don't think there's any denying that Pacific Coast Highway is one of the most Americanised albums TD or ex-TD have released. Other notable 'commercial' ex-members include Paul Haslinger (whose two albums I really like) and Peter Baumann. I was very shocked when I heard Phase-to-Phase and heard the vocals. Sounded like John Foxx to me! Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short pop-song. IMHO, of the four ex-members and TD mentioned above, only TD (and possibly Schmoelling) are going anywhere. Franke bounces from one project to another, changing style and reception as required. Baumann, obviously, is out of the music business. Haslinger, IMHO, has produced two albums which are very good, but which are too similar. If he isn't going to disappear from my 'must-buys' list, like Franke has, then his next outing must grow, change, evolve. Any comments on my comments? Reactions to my reaction? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 142 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:38 pm Subject: D:-_-_-_-_-Stratosfear-_-_-_-_- Really-From: PNaunton@a... 13-Jan-1997 Tangerine Dream 'Stratosfear' Published - 1976 Copyright -1976 Purchased - 1976 Format - LP Label - Virgin International Catalog - VI 2068 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Baumann Is that _little_ _Jerome_ on the inside jacket of this LP? It sure bears a resemblance. The haircut looks similar, too. Very space moody. Maybe more mood than music. It appears to have the personality of an unused soundtrack. The music is obviously Tangerine Dream, but the lead instruments are missing for the most part. When there is a melody, it is very subtle. For some reason it is difficult to come upon any thoughts or feeling about this recording. I'm not particularly connected to this music, either positively or negatively. As it plays now, I wish it would do something other than just sit there, but it doesn't. So, .. .. .. .. .. .. tomorrow I'll listen to it again and see what happens. <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> <------> A new day. And an answer. Volume is the key. 'Stratosfear' works in spades at high volume. It appears that at medium to low volumes, where I was set yesterday, that much of the subtleties and nuances are lost. Today, with the volume at the three o'clock position, there is much more life here, and it doesn't sound so much like mindless noodling. Of course three o'clock doesn't mean ear shattering. On my pre-amp three o'clock is just comfortably loud. With a CD three o'clock would blow the windows out, but this is a low output moving-coil phono cartridge running into a medium gain pre-pre-amp and then into the phono pre-amp, so even with the volume control pinned at '10' it would still not clip the amps. All this makes me wonder what the CD sounds like. Maybe time will tell. This is good, I think I give it one more listen. Oh, yes, I almost forgot - - favorite track - - 'Stratosfear' Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 4:57 pm Subject: RE: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it >German issue of 'Rolling Stone' not even had such a category. Perhaps the >editors of the magazine think, 'electronic' music does not exist in >Germany. If >you read the magazine carefully, you will see that they probably do not >take >'electronic' bands like TD for serious because they have *totally* ignored >this >kind of music for years in articles and concert reviews. It is simply >tooooooo far away from goooood old Rock'n'Roll... Regarding Rolling Stone, I think the reason they ignore it is the same reason they panned Progressive Rock (they're often lumped into the same category). According to the book 'Rocking the Classics,' a new book on Prog Rock, it doesn't have a sort of neo-Marxist, anti-establishment attitude. The author maintains that RS and others think that anyone with talent or formal training in music is automatically part of the hated establishment. Never mind that Prog and E-music has always been far removed from the mainstream, more so than any of the so-called 'alternative' bands that RS drools over now. Those bands are the ones they should _really_ hate, since they're just a facade of anti-establishment-ism covering a corporate money machine. Take REM, for example. (One of my favorite bands, BTW) They once were the kings of alternative rock, now they signed an $80 million record deal with Warner Bros. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:01 pm Subject: 'Pacific Coast Highway' going, going, ... Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry, I'm taking back what I said earlier about 'Pacific Coast Highway.' I am dumping it. Tracks 1,9,10: He left TD to do these? 2/10 Track 2: 'Mountain Heights' is very good, but is on 'The London Concert' Tracks 3&11: I'd rather have the originals from David Arkenstone Track 4: I passed on the original from David Lanz. Track 5: 'Driving Into Blue' 6/10 but not worth keeping the album for. Track 6: I don't want to talk about it, okay? (crying) Track 7: 'Malibu Avenue' isn't bad 5/10 Track 8: 'Cinnamon City Cliff' The most interesting piece 4/10 Track 12: Done much better by Deuter, Kamal, Anugama, ... Send hate mail to: filipak@k... Regards, Mark PS: If anyone wants PCH, it's yours for $4 plus post. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: Mark Filipak <<<< Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> They have a category for electronic music in their poll, and guess who finished first? Nope. It was someone named 'Tricky.' TD didn't even make it > German issue of 'Rolling Stone' not even had such a category. Perhaps > the editors of the magazine think, 'electronic' music does not exist > in Germany. If you read the magazine carefully, you will see that they > probably do not take 'electronic' bands like TD for serious because > they have *totally* ignored this kind of music for years in articles > and concert reviews. It is simply tooooooo far away from goooood old > Rock'n'Roll... Regarding Rolling Stone, I think the reason they ignore it is the same reason they panned Progressive Rock (they're often lumped into the same category). According to the book 'Rocking the Classics,' a new book on Prog Rock, it doesn't have a sort of neo-Marxist, anti-establishment attitude. The author maintains that RS and others think that anyone with talent or formal training in music is automatically part of the hated establishment. Never mind that Prog and E-music has always been far removed from the mainstream, more so than any of the so-called 'alternative' bands that RS drools over now. Those bands are the ones they should _really_ hate, since they're just a facade of anti-establishment-ism covering a corporate money machine. Take REM, for example. (One of my favorite bands, BTW) They once were the kings of alternative rock, now they signed an $80 million record deal with Warner Bros. Scott >>>> Success may not breed contempt but hanging out with those slimy goons at Warner sure will. HOW does one turn off the music machine? Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:06 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:29:13 GB-EIRE 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' wrote: <<<< Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short pop-song. >>>> I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a poor job promoting him? Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 145 Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other he Gabe Yedid Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 156 Schmoelling, TDI, etc sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Easter Island Review Really-From: Vic Rek Maybe I missed a post, but did anyone review or now can review the 12 minute Easter Island track? What period does it resemble, is it live, etc? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:02 am Subject: D: Stratosfear Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, Stratosfear: a favourite! (and 5 my-S) compared to the albums before (Ricochet, Rubycon), TD seem to compose and play with 'economy' - there is so much nice silent space between the notes, which makes the space sound and breathe. And - also in contrast to previous albums - they play some chord progressions. I cannot really decide for a favourite track - maybe I'd say 'The Big Sleep in Search of Hades' with that wonderful bass and harpsichord arrangement, and '3 am.....' (ping ------ blop ------ ping ------blob) ^ ^ ^ | | | \ | / \ | / \ | / lots of beautiful space here! and so many nice sound effects in the background. Really a landscape! And no muddy disgusting 'bridges' = glue sounds out of boring sperical keyboard voices, whose purpose is just to avoid some nice silent space. btw: Stratosfear was the very first TD album I spend money for. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 149 Re: D: Stratosfear slawlor Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 1:19 am Subject: plejades <-> astronomy Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: Amatodo@a... > > >I came across a painting in a Dali book called 'Birth of Liquid Desires'. Is >this the inspiration for 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' on Zeit? I'm not >familiar with the term 'plejades'. I don't even know what language it is. > Anyway, I know that Edgar was associated with Dali in the mid 60's. Does >anybody have any information on his relationship with Dali, TD history from >66-68, or what 'plejades' means? > perchance to dream....jeff > Ha, a question for me! This has something to do with astronomy. The 'Plejades' is a star cluster, one of the very very very few you can see with naked eye (right now, in winter time!!!). If you want to look for it, I can tell you how to find (provided you're not living too far in the southern hemisphere). I understand the album 'Zeit', just like the whole trilogy 'Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit', and 'Atem' (to me this is a trilogy) as a description of the evolution of the universe and the origin of life. (think at the sleeve not to alpha cen: this album is dedicated to everybody who feels obliged to space) 'Birth of liquid plejades' has probably something to do with the origin of stars. Imagine a huge gaseous cloud of lightyears size ('Nebulous Dawn'?). Such a cloud will contract because of its own gravity. Under certain circumstances, the cloud developes some denser, clumpsy cores (with some I mean anything between some dozens and some hundreds). These cores can/will become so dense and hot that nuclear reactions are ignited: then you have a star, still imbedded in a dense cloud. I spoke about a lot of cores in this clouds: not just one, but a lot of stars are created more or less at the same time. The strong (ultraviolet) radiation of the hottest and biggest stars (these are those with high masses, up to 10 of the sun) will evaporate and blow away the rest of the dust. What you see then is a star cluster, just like the plejades, with no or just a bit of gas left (photographs of the plejades actually reveal such remnant gas). Why 'liquid plejades'? In some manner, though this is not true physically, the original 'cloud' is like the smeared out, 'liquid' version of the cluster. After all, it is exactly the same material. About the connection to Dali - probably less related to astronomy - I guess it is just very probable that Froese had this Dali title somewhere in his mind. so much for now about astronomy Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: edgar & dali Really-From: Amatodo@a... I came across a painting in a Dali book called 'Birth of Liquid Desires'. Is this the inspiration for 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' on Zeit? I'm not familiar with the term 'plejades'. I don't even know what language it is. Anyway, I know that Edgar was associated with Dali in the mid 60's. Does anybody have any information on his relationship with Dali, TD history from 66-68, or what 'plejades' means? perchance to dream....jeff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 148 Re: edgar & dali Francisco Salgado C. Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:50 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Success may not breed contempt but hanging out with those slimy goons at >Warner sure will. HOW does one turn off the music machine? Easy. Buy indy label stuff. Or failing that, buy used copies. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 153 Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > > criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > > have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think > > that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and > > that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even > > today. I'd have to disagree in 2 cases: Schmoelling, and TD itself. Current TD *is* still a great deal more accessible than in many previous incarnations, even if it is several cuts above 95% of 'all the other stuff'. I played _Dream Mixes_ to a bunch of my friends in biology last year--most of them didn't even like techno/dance, and it was a pretty big hit! I *don't* think they'd react the same way to _Ricochet_, though. And their tendency to hire Satriani-clone guitarists, with all the stylistic baggage that brings, has brought them a good deal closer to mainstream rock than a lot of (ex-)fans are comfortable with--not that it's winning them airplay, but there is a great deal less difference between TD and Yes than there used to be. Schmoelling is definitely the *least* commercial of any of the TD stable. (Why is it so many people seem to think 'short piece = commercial?') Although I thought 'Songs No Words' was pretty insipid, his post-TD music is probably the most 'personal' of all the TD stable. > > Other notable 'commercial' ex-members include Paul > Haslinger (whose two albums I really like) and Peter > Baumann. I was very shocked when I heard Phase-to-Phase and > heard the vocals. Sounded like John Foxx to me! I've not heard any of Baumann's solo stuff, but most people here seem to think anything he did after _Transharmonic Nights_ was, as the Brits might put it, shite. I guess he moved into what, Human League-style electro-pop? I don't know if I'd label Haslinger 'commercial' just yet, although I feel forced to question his motivations for getting MTV air time. > Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his > 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although > even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short > pop-song. see my comment above on just what 'commercial' means... > IMHO, of the four ex-members and TD mentioned above, only > TD (and possibly Schmoelling) are going anywhere. Franke > bounces from one project to another, changing style and > reception as required. Baumann, obviously, is out of the > music business. Haslinger, IMHO, has produced two albums > which are very good, but which are too similar. If he isn't I was pretty unprepared for how _World Without Rules_ changed my view of _Future Primitive_! After having gotten used to _WWR_, I must say that _FP_ sounded, well, 'much less mature'--it just doesn't quite have the same 'venom' that _WWR_ does. Although I must agree with John Battema's assessment that Paul seems to have sacrificed a lot of his musical idiosyncracies between those two albums in favour of the more outwardly 'global' sound. (which I'm sure he isn't losing sleep over) > going to disappear from my 'must-buys' list, like Franke > has, then his next outing must grow, change, evolve. As Paul Haslinger, he will probably keep on the global/ethnic path. He has other projects, though, like Coma Virus, where he'll explore different facets of his musical personality (e.g. the 'Lightwave' style). > Any comments on my comments? Reactions to my reaction? > > --------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: RE: 'Pink' Years Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Are these the 'Pink' years because there was a Pink Floyd influence in >the early years? Doesn't help for an explanation of the 'Blue' years, >though... Jazz? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 155 Re: 'Pink' Years sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label > for $7.99 yesterday. >> >WHERE? DO YOU MEAN ON CD???!!!!! I gotta get one!! Catalog number? Brain has never issued CD's. Their parent company, Metronome, re-issued some of their stuff, but to my knowledge, after Brain died, nothing appeared with the Brain label. If people are interested in learning more about the Brain releases (which includes TD, Ed solo, and some other Kraut-rock bands) I can post an article that appeared in Progression magazine a couple years ago about Brain. Pretty interesting article. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 158 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Mark Filipak Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 196 Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Plumer, Scott Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:56 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:29:13 GB-EIRE 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > wrote: > <<<< > Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his > 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although > even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short > pop-song. > >>>> > > I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had > I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a > poor job promoting him? Erdenklang (twice, _Wuivend Riet_ and _Songs No Words_), Polydor (_White Out_), and the now-defunct Theta (which _Zoo of Tranquility_ was originally issued on.) I really think his music has NO commercial appeal. The TDI reissue business is probably more like a favour from old friends deal, and only TD fans who like Schmoelling's music will be aware of that (the UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). > Mark Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 156 Schmoelling, TDI, etc sean Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: '88 tour question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 163 Re: '88 tour question Steve Quinney Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 165 Re: '88 tour question TWeibre361@a... Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 173 Re: '88 tour question PENFOLD Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Soundtrack question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I want to know, are there any more? Here is the list: Dead Solid Perfect Deadly Care Destination Berlin Firestarter Flashpoint Heartbreakers The Keep Legend The Man Inside Near Dark The Park is Mine Risky Business Shy People The Soldier Sorceror Strange Behavior (what was this renamed?) Thief Visionquest Wavelength Zoning What TV shows beside Tatort and Streethawk did they do music for? I remember 'Exit' and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' appearing on General Hospital back in the '80s. Did they give their permission for this? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 157 Re: Soundtrack question sean Tue 1/14/1997 3 KB 160 Re: Soundtrack question Brian_Kirby@p... Tue 1/14/1997 2 KB 199 Re: Soundtrack question Michal Balcerzak Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 2112 TD and Sax over!! Matt Williams Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:55 pm Subject: Re: edgar & dali Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Amatodo@a... > > I came across a painting in a Dali book called 'Birth of Liquid Desires'. Is > this the inspiration for 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' on Zeit? I'm not > familiar with the term 'plejades'. I don't even know what language it is. Plejades: a cluster of young stars in it's early phase. regards -- Francisco Salgado, La Coruņa, Espaņa mailto:fsalgado@c... http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear Really-From: slawlor Hi there. This was my second Tangerine Dream purchase back in 1986, a few weeks after getting Exit. The guy at the record store said that this was a quiet album. He was right about that for sure. I think my favorite tracks are 'The big sleeper in Search of hades' A friend once commented 'That sounds like a jazzed up title for highway to hell. I like the chord progression and the flute improv, and the spacemusic middle is pretty cool too. My next favorite part of this recording is the piano part at the end, though the guitar improv on Encore ads something to it. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:37 pm Subject: Re: About THE KEEP's Rarity Really-From: Michael A Jean I don't doubt your story...I heard several people (some as far away as GREECE) say the same thing... I don't know about you all, but whenever I used to see a new TD album, I would always pick it up on the spot! I remember reading the newspaper that Friday night when the movie opened. I remember seeing TD mentioned in the fine print of the 'AD', but I don't recall ever seeing the 'OST available on 'XXX' records...by-line'. For that reason, I intended to go see the film in the theatre, so I could view the credits. I don't remember seeing that phrase in on screen either. I checked the local record shop, which always stocked TD rarities. I was certain they would have kept the copies, even if they were recalled, and they didn't have them! If this story is true, I just want to know why no one has ever been able to produce a real live copy of the LP!!! I don't doubt that a OST was intended for release ( given the German radio broadcast of some material and the discography from TD themselves, that listed it as being available in 1984). However, all our concerns may be put to rest if TD finally goes ahead and releases it this year (as has been rumored so many times before).... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 172 Re: About THE KEEP's Rarity PENFOLD Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: 'Vermillion Sands'='Taking the Park, Part Two' Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:45:13 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >But in 'Vermilion Sands' Chris shows his strengths to >perfection and reminds us again why we love him. It consists >of a marvelous, 4 minute long rock'n'roll piece with backbeat >percussion and abstract 'oriental' lead that is far too short >for my tastes. If you didn't know it before, this composition >announces to all that Chris is at heart, a rock'n'roll >drummer. It would be interesting to see the music industry's >reaction if Chris could put together a whole album of >compositions like this one. This track inexplicably ends on a >2 minute, dramatic etude that would have felt right at home on >the album 'Poland' but feels just tacked on here -- as though >Chris wanted to cover all the bases. 'Vermillion Sands' is awfully similar (almost the same, really) to 'Taking the Park, Part Two,' on the THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack. See for yourself. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: . DREAMS WORD -- Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 302 Re: 'Vermillion Sands'='Taking the Park, Part Two Hermes Guzman Mon 1/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Three Sources of RISKY BUSINESS Music Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: d:risky business >Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 20:00:44 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > [Lars R. Jones said:] >>Hermes, do you know if there is enough material in the sound kit for this? > >Not really. The additional material from the soundkit, not including the >Franke interview, comes to only 11:21. And only four of the eight tracks >are completley new. They are all, however, taken directly from the film cut >of the music as provided to the studio by TD. The tracks are listed only as >Track1 ~ Track 8; I've included times as well as known titles: > >Track 1 - 1:21 No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) >Track 2 - 1:46 Lana >Track 3 - 3:04 Guido the Killer Pimp >Track 4 - 0:30 (Porche Plunge I) >Track 5 - 0:24 (Porche Plunge II) >Track 6 - 0:11 (?) >Track 7 - 0:57 Sobornost extract >Track 8 - 3:08 Love on a Real Train > >So if you add just the 2:02 of unreleased tracks to the 17:49 found on the >CD, you only have 19:51 of total music. And the only 'real' track of those >is the 'Sobornost' extract. The other three are little more than sound >effects. And, yes, that is yet _another_ version of 'Love...'! I think I'll >collect all 11 versions and put 'em on a...well...never mind! ; ) And don't forget that either three or four (depending on how nit- picky you want to get) of the TD tracks on the first pressing of the LP are different than the later pressings and all versions of the CD!!! I have two copies of the original LP in case anyone thinks I'm full of baloney. It's in VOICES IN THE DUNES, too. (I was their source of info on this fact, actually.) -- Steven Feldman & From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 7:51 pm Subject: Re: RE. Rolling Stone Reader's Poll Really-From: sean > >Success may not breed contempt but hanging out with those slimy goons at > >Warner sure will. HOW does one turn off the music machine? > > Easy. Buy indy label stuff. Or failing that, buy used copies. Just buy good music! This business of artists ceasing to be of interest once they're popular is so cliched. Of course, most really popular artists ARE bland, but that's not the point. I do, on the other hand, wholeheartedly endorse buying second-hand! CDs are horribly overpriced. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Schmoelling albums: not too smelling ;) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:06:36 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had >I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a >poor job promoting him? His first and fourth are on the German Erdenklang label. The second was on a now-defunct label, and the third is more-or-less available if you search around for it--yet I think it, too, is out of print. The first one came out in the USA on the now-defunct Lifestyles label, but the others are all German-only, as far as I know. JOHANNES SCHMOELLING (1980-1986) solos: |86 WUIVEND RIET [English: 'Wind-Blown Reeds'] |88 THE ZOO OF TRANQUILLITY (rel on defunct Polydor sub-label Theta; no US r) |90 WHITE OUT (German-only release) |95 SONGS NO WORDS (not released in the US) |96 ZAUBERGEIGER SETTEMBRINI (narr by Martin Burkhardt, music by Johannes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:04 pm Subject: RE: 'Pink' Years Really-From: sean > >Are these the 'Pink' years because there was a Pink Floyd influence in > >the early years? Doesn't help for an explanation of the 'Blue' years, > >though... > > Jazz? How about the fact that the Jive/Electro record sticker was blue? Or the fact that the cover art for Poland, Underwater Sunlight and Tyger was predominantly blue? A reference to Blue Oyster Cult? The possibilities are endless! -Sean Montgomery From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: Schmoelling, TDI, etc Really-From: sean > The UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an > import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). Which is a shame! Sojus is an excellent piece, right up there with Virtually Fields in my book. I just hope that when TDI rereleases ZoT, it'll make it's way over too! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:18 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack question Really-From: sean > I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I > want to know, are there any more? Plenty! Check out Dave Datta's TD Discography at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/discog It has a list of some unreleased soundtracks. > I remember 'Exit' and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' appearing on General > Hospital back in the '80s. Did they give their permission for this? No. Finding unauthorized uses of TD music in soap operas, sports coverage, television current affairs shows and the like could keep a team of lawyers in business...and does! Plus, movie studios may reserve the right to use music composed for one of their movies in the trailer for another. Witness the use of Dead Solid Perfect music in the trailer for 'Intersection'. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:46 pm Subject: Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:59:00 -0500 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: <<<< > I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain > label for $7.99 yesterday. >> >WHERE? DO YOU MEAN ON CD???!!!!! I gotta get one!! Catalog number? Brain has never issued CD's. Their parent company, Metronome, re-issued some of their stuff, but to my knowledge, after Brain died, nothing appeared with the Brain label. If people are interested in learning more about the Brain releases (which includes TD, Ed solo, and some other Kraut-rock bands) I can post an article that appeared in Progression magazine a couple years ago about Brain. Pretty interesting article. Scott >>>> Sorry Scott, I have seen 'Brain' CDs. I don't know what company was responsible for issuing them, but they had the Brain logo. Klaus Schulze, 'Mediterranean Pads' was one (I'm looking at it as I write this) and I've seen others -- all white albums with the Brain logo on the back in the lower left. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:56:09 -0500 (EST) Gabe Yedid wrote: <<<<<< On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:29:13 GB-EIRE 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > wrote: > <<<< > Johannes Schmoelling, IMHO, has stayed closest to his > 'experimentation' roots (first 3 albums, anyway), although > even he shies away from the long tracks toward the short > pop-song. > >>>> > > I hate to say it, but I have not seen a single album from JS. If I had > I would have bought without thinking twice. What label is doing such a > poor job promoting him? Erdenklang (twice, _Wuivend Riet_ and _Songs No Words_), Polydor (_White Out_), and the now-defunct Theta (which _Zoo of Tranquility_ was originally issued on.) I really think his music has NO commercial appeal. The TDI reissue business is probably more like a favour from old friends deal, and only TD fans who like Schmoelling's music will be aware of that (the UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). > Mark Gabe >>>>>> Oh wow, I have 'Wuivend Riet'! I've had if for years. I'd forgotten that was JS. That's a wonderful album. (Time to go and find the rest of them.... any help out there?) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:00 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack question Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I >want to know, are there any more? Off the top of my head, here are a couple more: Forbidden - A WWII love story about a jewish woman and a german soldier (I think). Rainbow Drive (cable movie by the guy who did Dead Solid Perfect and Heartbreakers -- Bobby Roth?) Neither has been released. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:19 pm Subject: Froese/dali etc. Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I wrote a very accurate story about the history of TD, beginning in 1965 and how they met Dali. And it's not yet come up in the mailing list. Come on guys (Majordomo?), are you keeping it away from the list or what?! I will not type it again! Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2078 Re: Froese/dali etc. Mark Filipak Tue 3/25/1997 2 KB 2080 Re: Froese/dali etc. Marcel Engels Tue 3/25/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: Info on Froese/Dali Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Froese was born in Tilsit in 1944 He studied painting and sculpture for 5 years. He had classical music training , but that quickly changed to rock 'n' roll/popmusic. This was in 1965. The first group ('65) in which Froese played was called The Ones. It was a conventionel rockgroup with gituar, bass, organ, drums and singing. Personel of The Ones: Detlef, Charlie, Edgar, Mick and Wilfried In 1966 their first single was: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Labelnr: 148593. In summer 1966 they had to play in Cadaques, Spain. There they met Salvador Dali. They played in his villa. Froese was really impressed by Dali's work. Dali's always said that everything is possible. Froese thought of the idea that everything could be possible in music too. In September 1967 Edgar formed Tangerine Dream with the following people: Edgar Froese - leadgituar Volker Hombach - flute and violin Lanse Hapshash - drums Kurt Herkenberg - bass Charlie Prince - vocals They started improvising with strange sounds (amplifying the violin and then feedback the thing etc). In March 1969 TD changed their personel. Edgar played with a bassplayer from The Netherlands and a drummer from Liverpool/UK. They only made a TV-soundtrack and nothing else. Then came Klaus Schulze and Conrad Schnitzler and the rest is history. (well we don't know half of it, but anyway). Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 10:37 pm Subject: Re: '88 tour question Really-From: Steve Quinney At 02:13 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? > >Scott > Yes , he opened for TD in Toronto in '88. Steve Quinney From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Info on Froese/Dali etc. Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Froese was born in Tilsit. He studied painting and sculpture for 5 years. He had classical training , but that changed to rock 'n' roll/popmusic. This was in 1965. The first group in which Froese played was called The Ones. It was a conventionel rockgroup with gituar, bass, organ, drums and singing. Personel of The Ones: Detlef, Charlie, Edgar, Mick and Wilfried In 1966 their first single was: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Labelnr: 148593. In summer 1966 they had to play in Cadaques, Spain. There they met Salvador Dali. They played in his villa. Froese was really impressed by Dali's work. Dali's always said that everything is possible. Froese thought of the idee that everything could be possible in music too. In September 1967 Edgar formed Tangerine Dream with the following people: Edgar Froese - leadgituar Volker Hombach - flute and violin Lanse Hapshash - drums Kurt Herkenberg - bass Charlie Prince - vocals They started with improvising with strange sounds (amplifying the violin and then feddback the thing etc). In March 1969 TD changed their personel. Edgar played with a bassplayer from The Netherlands and a drummer from Liverpool/UK. They only made a TV-soundtrack and nothing else. Then came Klaus Schulze and Conrad Schnitzler and the rest is history. (well we don't know half of it, but anyway). Marcel Engels fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 13, 1997 10:46 pm Subject: Re: '88 tour question Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 17:39:54 EST, you write: << >Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? >> yup...he opened in nyc.... tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Some Obscure Soundtracks Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hi Scott, >>I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I >>want to know, are there any more? >>Here is the list: >>Dead Solid Perfect >>Deadly Care >>Destination Berlin >>Firestarter >>Flashpoint >>Heartbreakers >>The Keep >>Legend >>The Man Inside >>Near Dark >>The Park is Mine >>Risky Business >>Shy People >>The Soldier >>Sorceror >>Strange Behavior (what was this renamed?) >>Thief >>Visionquest >>Wavelength >>Zoning 'Strange Behavior' was also known by the rather unappealing titles 'Dead Kids' and also as 'Human Experiments.' There are a TON of other TD-soundtracked films, but some were unauthorized uses and many contain only studio music. Here's a few off the top of my head...there are lots, lots more, especially from the early 1970s....and no, I haven't seen any of these except Miracle Mile, Kamikaze and Rainbow Drive. :-) Geradeaus Bis Zum Morgen (1972 german TV) Ein Fuer Alle Mal (1973 German TV) Oedpius Tyrannus (1974)--the stuff from the London stage play, of which there's the track Overture on 'V' Ninja (Japanese? 1978, unauthorized use of stuff from Sorcerer) Future War 198X (Japanese? 1978, unauthorized use of stuff from Phaedra, I think) Something with a german title that translates to 'The Most Dangerous Game' (1979, Edgar solo) Something called 'Kneuss' (1979) Spasms (1981)--allegedly lame horror movie about a killer snake Kamikaze 1989 (1983, if you're counting EF's solo stuff) Forbidden (US made-for-cable, 1985 I think) Red Heat (1986)--allegedly bad women-in-prison movie, I think (no I haven't seen it :) ) Red Nights (1987) The Game of Love (1987) City of Shadows (a.k.a. Nightmare City) (Canadian, 1987) Miracle Mile (1989) Rainbow Drive (1990) The Switch (1992 US TV movie) And don't forget Canyon Dreams and Oasis! >>What TV shows beside Tatort and Streethawk did they do music for? I >>remember 'Exit' and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' appearing on General >>Hospital back in the '80s. Did they give their permission for this? I doubt permission was given, but I can't say for sure. I know other soap operas used TD, too, just from channel surfing I spotted several occurences of stuff from Thief, for instance. I don't know of any other series they scored. --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:59 am Subject: >> ULTIMA THULE << Really-From: Mark Filipak Sorry I'm being a little obnoxious here. Anybody know anything about this album? 'Ultima Thule Suite' by Elia David Cmiral 1CD [1991] Classic Hawk/Hawk Records, Stockholm - CLH CD 705 It's urgent. Thanks, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:54 am Subject: RE: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Mark Filipak >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Well... Not Schmoelling... - jimbo *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* *'...I'll step out of these wet clothes, | jimbo@v... * * and into a dry martini...' | James Frederick Moore * * -- Bugs Bunny (as Groucho Marx) | *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 2:20 am Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:54:49 -0800 Jim Moore wrote: <<<< >Really-From: Mark Filipak >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Well... Not Schmoelling... - jimbo *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* *'...I'll step out of these wet clothes, | jimbo@v... * * and into a dry martini...' | James Frederick Moore * * -- Bugs Bunny (as Groucho Marx) | *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* >>>> Jim. You are absolutely right. When I wrote that I wasn't thinking about Johannes. The reason? Because I didn't know he had _any_ albums out. How, you might ask, can anyone on this list not know JS has had 4 albums? Because I've only seen one, 'Wuivend Riet' which I bought as soon as I saw it in 1987, and have since forgotten about. There haven't been any other Schmoelling albums in the US. I'm sorry I forgot Johannes Schmoelling. I find 'Wuivend Riet' to be a totally honest, spontaneous, and heartfelt work. It's too bad that almost guarantees commercial oblivion. (Eating my words with relish) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:20 am Subject: Dream Mixes UK hard-to-get Really-From: feldon@n... At 03:08 PM 1/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: sean > >> The UK Dream Mixes got almost ZERO exposure here--I found it as an >> import in what is normally a 2nd hand place). > >Which is a shame! Sojus is an excellent piece, right up there with >Virtually Fields in my book. I had already purchased the US release of Dream Mixes, so it hurt the wallet to have to buy the import. Iowa put me into a coma, but Sojus brought me back. I like the previously unreleased stuff on Dream Mixes disc 1. Yes, I am guilty of cranking up the bass on Dream Mixes disc 2--tracks 1,2. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Which album?-A question to the german members Really-From: RusterD@a... Hi there! A question to the german members: Wer kann mir sagen, auf welchem Album der Song vom Tatort Mitte der Achtziger ist? Vielleicht auf Exit? Wer sich fuer die Dream Roots-Collection interessiert, ich kenne einen Mail Order Versand, der die Box fuer 80,- verkauft; bei Interesse melden... Greetings Dirk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 181 Re: Which album?-A question to the german members Hilmar Kraft Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: About THE KEEP's Rarity At 13:37 97·01·13 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean I remember after 'The Keep' came out in the theatres. I also distinctly remember the LP sitting on the shelves in my local Tower Records (in West Covina, CA).....and then it disappeared. I missed the theatre run but rented the video. I thought the movie was cool, and the music *awesome*. Then I caught the TV airing.....Glaeken lives! (closer to the book's ending) and different ending credits (white letters over footage of cloudy sky and wind noise.) What gives here? The 20th Century version of a Rain Dance.....Washing your car. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: '88 tour question >Did Andy Summers open for them on _all_ their '88 tour dates? I don't know but Andy did open for TD at the Wiltern in LA. IMHO I thought Andy was awful. BTW: Edgar commented 'Nice to be back.' when they played the Wiltern again for the _Rockoon_ tour. 'Urp!' - Traditional Chtorran post-repast blessing /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear At 17:02 97·01·13 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Armin Theissen >btw: Stratosfear was the very first TD album I spend money for. After I bought _Exit_, _Stratosfear_ was bought in my 'attack dose' (hmmmm, what *were* they?) (to CD collection) (looking @ cover art/title) ah! (back in front of computer) (That would have been....._Tangram_,_Stratosfear_,_Force_Majeure_&_Rubycon_.....wow! What a start.) that was in Fall of '81.....And I haven't stopped since. It *has/is* been a unique musical voyage of dreams.....Tangerine Dream(s) Bad command or file name. You have 2 wishes left. /^\ | | Pete | penfold@a... | | semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Doreen Williams >Really-From: PNaunton@a... >In a message dated 97-01-13 10:07:59 EST, you write: ><< I replayed 'The London Concert' and would like to share some of > my heresies with you for general discussion. >> > I think your post is a load of dingo's kidneys. Personally I >wouldn't alter _one_ >_note_ on London Concert, even the studio parts. Prejudices not >withstanding, I think that this CD is a treasure. The term 'weak' does not >apply to any part of it. Much like 'Force Majeure', one of my all time >favorite TD recordings, I could listen to this over and over and over again. > In fact I do. I must have listened to 'London Concert' two hundred times >last year. I never get tired of it. Today is January 13, 1997 and I have >listened to it four times this year already. Now, admittedly, I haven't >disected it in the way you have, and I really never intend to. Instead I >think of the whole recording as a single piece, even if that is truely >unrealistic. OK, so occasionally I play 'Dolphin Dance' by itself once in a >while, but with that one exception I really don't think that any part of >'London Concert can be pulled out without causing the rest to collapse like a >house of cards. Just my opinion. If not humble, at least from the heart. >No malice. >Phil N. I couldn't have said it better myself,thanks you have just saved me the hassle of writing a long mail ;). Matt.... ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: ajogon@m... Speaking of backwards, I found this in rec.music.ambient: << From: painpete@a... (PainPete) Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient Subject: Pheadra-esque Disks Date: 12 Jan 1997 14:03:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <19970112140100.JAA21458@l...> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@a... (...) For years I didn't know my cassette of Pheadra was defective--It was all backwards! And it still became one of my favorites. After awhile I noticed it was backwards but assumed it was intentional. It wasn't until I heard another copy that I figured it out (and that took awhile to notice too...I had to verify my suspicions on a 4-track to be sure I didn't just have some different version on import or something). Now I like it equally both ways! It's almost like having a double album! Try that if you want another perspective. It retains pretty much the same feel as the other way but it is a different experience. If you have a 4-track, open reel deck, or a digital editor you can flip-flop it that way. (...) >> Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 197 Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-01-12 11:34:51 EST, you write: << 2LP [1976,1977,1978] Virgin-??- VD 2507 1MC [19??] Virgin-??- ???... Released by Virgin as VD 2507, for 3 years in a row starting in 76. Mark >> LP doesn't help me - I thought someone was saying it was released on CD. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 193 Re: FROESE LPS Vincent Goudreault Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:01 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticismand other heresies Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: feldon@n... > > No, that means using gimmicky dainty instrument sounds and the short 'song' > style as opposed to the old developing orchestration if you will. TD was all > about the composition of the song back in the 70's and early 80's. Now it > seems like it is based on sounding as modern as possible with heavy drum > use. Heck, TD barely touched drums in the 70's and 80's and they did quite > nicely... > > (From a frustrated old-TD lover) > > Morgan I absolutely agree with you. BUT, today you still can make good music also on digital equipment. Only some of the musicians don't bother to program it correctly. But then again, nothing like the old Moog and Mellotron. (and about all of the analog stuff). One thing still wonders me. I have a very simple monphonic synth which I bought 2nd hand from somebody for just a fart. The filter inside is absolutely fantastic. My point is that nowadays they make special DSP-processors to make filters etc. but they still sound like shit. Haven't 'they' learned anything? Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 204 Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' feldon@n... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:29 am Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 10:30:08 EST, you write: << Let us know if this backwards version of 'Maroubra Bay' is for real or > just another cruel 'John is dead' joke. > > > I played it last night, and the story is true. I always thought there was something different about the album, but I guess I never played them back to back before. It is amazing this info has never come out before...(Not even 'Voices...' makes reference to the error. Maybe Edgar doesn't even know about it! Who else knew about this??? How and when was this first discovered? >> Not to be a party pooper, but this has been discussed several times during the last year. I've had this on LP for years and years and I never realized it until I read it here a year ago. It sounds perfectly fine palyed backwards or forward, at least until one is aware of the error. Now, of course, it suddenly sounds wrong. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:19 am Subject: Re: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 10:07:59 EST, you write: << I replayed 'The London Concert' and would like to share some of my heresies with you for general discussion. >> I think your post is a load of dingo's kidneys. Personally I wouldn't alter _one_ _note_ on London Concert, even the studio parts. Prejudices not withstanding, I think that this CD is a treasure. The term 'weak' does not apply to any part of it. Much like 'Force Majeure', one of my all time favorite TD recordings, I could listen to this over and over and over again. In fact I do. I must have listened to 'London Concert' two hundred times last year. I never get tired of it. Today is January 13, 1997 and I have listened to it four times this year already. Now, admittedly, I haven't disected it in the way you have, and I really never intend to. Instead I think of the whole recording as a single piece, even if that is truely unrealistic. OK, so occasionally I play 'Dolphin Dance' by itself once in a while, but with that one exception I really don't think that any part of 'London Concert can be pulled out without causing the rest to collapse like a house of cards. Just my opinion. If not humble, at least from the heart. No malice. Phil N. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:38 am Subject: Re: Which album?-A question to the german members Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >Hi there! > >A question to the german members: > >Wer kann mir sagen, auf welchem Album der Song vom Tatort >Mitte der Achtziger ist? Vielleicht auf Exit? English summary follows... Dirk...es gab 2 Tatorts mit TD Musik Mitte der Achtziger: 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' und 'Miriam'. Eigentlich ist keiner der Songs auf einem Album drauf, sondern nur damals als 2 Singles erschienen. Allerdings ist 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' eine ueberarbeitete Version von 'White Eagle', und daher kannst Du auf dem Album 'White Eagle' eine sehr aehnlich klingende Version hoeren (die laut allgemeiner und auch meiner Meinung nach sogar besser als die Tatort-Version ist). Die Tatort-Version gibt es auch auf einem 'Schimanski' Sampler auf CD, dort sind insgesamt 3 TD Stuecke drauf ('Das Maedchen...' und 2 Stuecke von 'Miriam') SUMMARY: Dirk wanted to know what album contains the track from the German TATORT series from the mid-eighties. I explained to him that there were 2 mid-eighties TATORTs, that the tracks were only released as singles, but that 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' is actually an updated version of White Eagle (with White Eagle sounding much better anyway) and can be found on the album of the same name. 3 tracks from the 2 TV-singles are available on the 'Schimanski' compilation CD. Hilmar Kraft hkraft@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:07 pm Subject: tatort Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Hi there! > >A question to the german members: > >Wer kann mir sagen, auf welchem Album der Song vom Tatort >Mitte der Achtziger ist? Vielleicht auf Exit? > >Greetings >Dirk > translation for the non-germans: 'Can anybody tell my on which album to find the Song from the mid-eighies Tatort? Maybe on Exit?' All I can say: You probably don't mean the 'White Eagle' Version 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' (In this Tatort Movie you also find 'Network 23' from Exit played at somewhat lower speed). The other Schimanski-Tatort 'Miriam' contains music you may find on the TD Soundtrack 'Wavelength' in a slightly different version. There have been singles and/or Maxisingles from both Tatort shows. There is also a sampler with music of Schimanski Tatorts, but I don't know whether there is more TD than 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe'. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 185 tatort Armin Theissen Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 192 Re: tatort sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear Really-From: Paul Nagle On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:07:29 -0800, you wrote: >All of these wonderful and interesting sound forms. And from what? >Chris: Moog, Organ, Percussion, Loop Mellotron & Harpsichord >Edgar: Mellotron, Moog, 12 & 6 Guitars, Grand Piano, Bass Guitar & Mouth Organ >Peter: Moog, Project Electronic Rhythm Computer, Fender E Piano & Mellotron Yeah, makes you wonder why each album these days struggles to achieve the range of sounds (or composition) that were present in Stratosfear. Melodies, increible sequencer work, not a drum machine in sight..... Seems that in the old days the gear was really put to work but now it's just a matter of hammering a few notes of the famous electric harpsichord noise and mindlessly whapping some tom toms for a bit.... Oops. Sorry. Don't know what came over me - almost slipped into critic mode there. Back to the true spirit of the group: >'Edgar is very nice' |'So is Chris. I think he may be God really.' >>'That young whipper-snapper Jerome has a silly haircut, doesn't he?' >>>'How dare you insult someone who used to decorate some of the world's best albums!' >'Edgar is very nice, though, isn't he?' >>>'Steady now....' etc. etc. 8-) Paul (the evil one) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/01/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Synergy/Metropolitan Suite Really-From: synergy I thought that I might be able to clear up a question about the running order on Metropolitan Suite. When the album was completed in late 1986 LPs and CDs as well as cassette versions were all for sale in most stores. The 'real' running order is the one that appears on the CD. That was the way I intended it. However the head of the Jem/Passport label group, Marty Scott, preferred the more 'classical' Suite to appear after the other tracks. My compromise was to let him run it his way on the LP and I'd run it my way on the CD--with the idea that the CD would probably survive longer. Redstone wasn't on the LP because it was considered a CD bonus track at the time, but it did make it onto the cassette which otherwise matched the LP running order. And that's all there is to it. -Larry Fast http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy >The LP version has the track running order (CD order in parenthesis) >(6)1 -Into The Abyss >(7)2 -Prairie Light >(8)3 -West Side Nights > Metropolitan Suite >(1)4 -North River >(2)5 -Steam & Steel Towers >(3)6 -The City Goes to War >(4)7 -Metropolitan Theme (main theme) >(5)8 -The End Of An Era >_Redstone_ on the CD is track 9 >the Cassette running order is the same as the LP with the addition of >_Redstone_ being the 'bonus' track at the end of side 2 >As for the alteration of the running order, it still puzzles me as a CD >doesn't have 2 sides like an LP. >Hey Elana! Perhaps your contact w/ Larry would explain the mixmastering >of the track running order From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:34 pm Subject: tatort Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >> You probably don't mean the 'White Eagle' Version 'Das Maedchen auf >> der Treppe' (In this Tatort Movie you also find 'Network 23' from >> Exit played at somewhat lower speed). > >This is the version of White Eagle that appears on the Tangents box set, >is it not? Has any of TDs other music from Tatort been released on >CD....except for the 70/90 disk? > > >Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > almost! The Tangents version of 'White Eagle' is a slightly tangentized version of 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe', which is a heavily 'tangentized' (better 'tatorted') version of White Eagle. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:57 am Subject: Re: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> >Vic Rek > >I was reading the booklet in Dream Roots Collection and in the 'Pink Years' >section it hints that Edgar is from Lithuania? Is this true, and if so, >which town? Or is the text just mis-leading? Hmmm...I wondered about this too, I think it must be wrong, though!?!?. A little history-check is in order here. From the information I have read so far, Edgar was born in the city of Tilsit (Marcel posted this info yesterday as well). Now, Tilsit was part of the East Prussian ('Ostpreussen') part of the German Empire, and after World War II was taken by the Soviet Union. It is now called Sovetsk and is still part of Russia to this day. This region of East Prussia had been German for a very long time and the story of millions of German refugees fleeing from that area in the last months of the war is firmly engraved in the heart of many germans. I think the confusion might have been created by the fact that Lithuania ('Litauen' in German) had been in part belonging to 'East Prussia' as well (the original country was divided up between Russia, Austria and Prussia/Germany in 1795) and after a turbululent history of being occupated by the polish, russians and germans as well as having regained independency, was finally annexed (again) by Hitler in 1941. After WWII, this part of East Prussia was also taken over by the Soviet Union, and much later with the formation of sovereign baltic states there, it is now again part of the state of Lithuania (Lietuva). Well, I sure hope I got that correct...it's been a few years since high school history classes...Anyway, I think it is wrong to say that Edgar is from Lithuania...more correct would be to say that he is from Russia...Maybe someone just looked at the map and said: East Prussia...well that is Lithuania now! Or Edgar was born outside of Tilist...in the region that is now Lithuania? Then again I am not too familiar with the history of Lithuania, and maybe Tilist/Sovetsk was in fact in former times part of that country...to my knowledge this is not the case, though. Any history buffs out there??? Hilmar Kraft hkraft@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-01-13 20:59:16 EST, you write: << >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. >> i read comments like this all over the place...what exactly does it mean to 'go commercial'? sell more albums? become more accesible? cater to the prevailing musical tastes? advertise more? any guesses? tom w np: everything but the girl vs. drum 'n' bass Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 189 Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' feldon@n... Wed 1/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: D: Stratosfear Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:08 AM 1/14/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Paul Nagle > >>All of these wonderful and interesting sound forms. And from what? >>Chris: Moog, Organ, Percussion, Loop Mellotron & Harpsichord >>Edgar: Mellotron, Moog, 12 & 6 Guitars, Grand Piano, Bass Guitar & Mouth Organ >>Peter: Moog, Project Electronic Rhythm Computer, Fender E Piano & Mellotron >Yeah, makes you wonder why each album these days struggles to achieve >the range of sounds (or composition) that were present in Stratosfear. >Melodies, increible sequencer work, not a drum machine in sight..... > >Oops. Sorry. Don't know what came over me - almost slipped into critic >mode there. > >Back to the true spirit of the group: >>'Edgar is very nice' >|'So is Chris. I think he may be God really.' >>>'That young whipper-snapper Jerome has a silly haircut, doesn't he?' >>>>'How dare you insult someone who used to decorate some of the world's best albums!' >>'Edgar is very nice, though, isn't he?' >>>>'Steady now....' >etc. >etc. >8-) >Paul (the evil one) I agree with you. If Edgar were to get together with Chris F. or Peter Baumann and burn a CD/album with Mellotron/Moog and no equipment made after 1982 (except for mixing and possibily sequencing), I would pay $100 for it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: feldon@n... ><< >My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > >criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > >have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. > >> > >i read comments like this all over the place...what exactly does it mean to >'go commercial'? sell more albums? become more accesible? cater to the >prevailing musical tastes? advertise more? any guesses? No, that means using gimmicky dainty instrument sounds and the short 'song' style as opposed to the old developing orchestration if you will. TD was all about the composition of the song back in the 70's and early 80's. Now it seems like it is based on sounding as modern as possible with heavy drum use. Heck, TD barely touched drums in the 70's and 80's and they did quite nicely... (From a frustrated old-TD lover) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> Further to my last mail...I just looked at the map and Sovetsk (Tilist) is indeed just a few miles away from the Lithuanian border. I guess he was probably really born outside of Tilsit...in what is now (again) Lithuania... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's Birthplace Really-From: Hilmar Kraft <73627.3675@c...> Further to my last mail...I just looked at the map and Sovetsk (Tilist) is indeed just a few miles away from the Lithuanian border. I guess he was probably really born outside of Tilsit...in what is now (again) Lithuania... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: tatort Really-From: sean > You probably don't mean the 'White Eagle' Version 'Das Maedchen auf > der Treppe' (In this Tatort Movie you also find 'Network 23' from > Exit played at somewhat lower speed). This is the version of White Eagle that appears on the Tangents box set, is it not? Has any of TDs other music from Tatort been released on CD....except for the 70/90 disk? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 4:18 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Perhaps this should be part of the FAQ. 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages' are the two solo Froese albums that were never released on CD. And believe me, this pains me a great deal, especially since I don't have 'Ages' on vinyl. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:53 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ---------- From: tadream@c... To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Date: Tuesday, January 14, 1997 1:05PM Really-From: ajogon@m... Speaking of backwards, I found this in rec.music.ambient: << From: painpete@a... (PainPete) Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient Subject: Pheadra-esque Disks Date: 12 Jan 1997 14:03:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <19970112140100.JAA21458@l...> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@a... (...) For years I didn't know my cassette of Pheadra was defective--It was all backwards! And it still became one of my favorites. After awhile I noticed it was backwards but assumed it was intentional. It wasn't until I heard another copy that I figured it out (and that took awhile to notice too...I had to verify my suspicions on a 4-track to be sure I didn't just have some different version on import or something). Now I like it equally both ways! It's almost like having a double album! Try that if you want another perspective. It retains pretty much the same feel as the other way but it is a different experience. If you have a 4-track, open reel deck, or a digital editor you can flip-flop it that way. (...) >> Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 6:54 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion >of the backward versions of TD albums :-) And we could do it in reverse alphabetical order! :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 3:14 pm Subject: Re: I found MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain label Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I stumbled across a mint copy of MACULA TRANSFER on the Brain >> label for $7.99 yesterday. >> >>WHERE? DO YOU MEAN ON CD???!!!!! I gotta get one!! Catalog number? >>Brain has never issued CD's. Their parent company, Metronome, re-issued >>some of their stuff, but to my knowledge, after Brain died, nothing >>appeared with the Brain label. >I have seen 'Brain' CDs. I don't know what company was responsible for >issuing them, but they had the Brain logo. Klaus Schulze, >'Mediterranean Pads' was one (I'm looking at it as I write this) and >I've seen others -- all white albums with the Brain logo on the back in >the lower left. I stand corrected. I checked with the author of the article I mentioned, and he said Metronome re-issued the Brain catalogue with the Brain logo, but the company was defunct by then. A similar situation occurred with the Grateful Dead's albums Blues for Allah, Wake of the Flood and Steal Your Face. These were issued originally on Grateful Dead records, then re-issued on CD in the '80s. GD records was no more, but the CD's said GD records anyway. Scott P.S. I will definitely post that article from Progression. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: sean > Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion > of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Perhaps Destination Berlin, Turn of the Tides and Cyclone were all recorded backwards, concealing the true scope of their awesomeness? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: TD Tickets for the Berlin concert Really-From: Gary Struhlik <101652.2060@c...> Today (January 14) I called the number of 'Moderne Welt', Germany Stuttgart (+49 30 711 9547474) to order tickets for the Berlin concert. The lady said that the ticket ordering for the Berlin show will be delayed, because of some problems and I should try again next week. My local ticket office confirmed that you can order other tickets for the German tour but not for Berlin. There is no chance to get ticket this week. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack question Really-From: Michal Balcerzak >I came up with a list of films I know TD did the soundtrack for, but I >want to know, are there any more? Once I've heard TD (I think it was from Melrose ?) in very poor brazilian soap opera. But in my opinion TD music was simply stolen. Balcer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: The Keep Really-From: Kent Eskildsen Hi, there... The Keep was actually on the satelite channel TV Norge last sunday. I was doing something else, so I just had the the TV running without the sound (recognize that situation?), when I suddenly realised that this must be The Keep, which everybody on the list was talking about, so I pumped up the wolume in a flash. I had not seen it before, but I think it was all right. Well, the ending was a little bit 'too much'! The music was - as always in TD soundtracks - in too manu short pieces, but there was a longer piece with choir which sounded interesting - almost classical in nature. Another funny thing; In the beginning of the film there was a small boat crossing some ocean in the sunrise. Many years ago Edgar Froese played a piece called 'Fishermanns Morning' from The Keep in a german radioprogram. I`ve always liked that piece of music very much and wondered what the pictures to this might be - I guess I have seen it now, but this time without the music... Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2488 The Keep AslanFan1@a... Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2491 Re: The Keep Sean Montgomery Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2541 Re: The Keep feldon@n... Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2937 Re: The Keep Becki Aquino Tue 4/22/1997 2 KB 8707 The Keep Lawry Simm Fri 11/14/1997 2 KB 8896 Re: The Keep Lawry Simm Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8905 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 11/20/1997 3 KB 8915 Re: The Keep Michael Fox Thu 11/20/1997 4 KB 9094 Re: The Keep TangerineC@a... Wed 11/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Poland photos question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was reading the brief history of TD on their web page, and it mentioned that at the Warsaw concer, they played in cold weather, wearing gloves, etc., yet the photos of them on stage that are in the Poland LP show them in short sleeve shirts, Johannes with his sleeves rolled up and looking a little sweaty. Is it safe to say these photos are not from the show? I also wonder because they have differnent clothes on in two pictures. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 221 Re: Poland photos question ToneLab@a... Fri 1/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 2:42 pm Subject: ATTN STEVE FELDMAN Really-From: Michael A Jean If you still have a copy of my initial 'KEEP' comment, will you please forward it to the list. Apparently the followup has generated some interest, and I don't have a copy of the comment I sent to you... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: Dead Solid Perfect question Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was looking in the 'Great Rock Discography' today, reading up on our favorite band, and noticed that in the track listing for 'Dead Solid Perfect,' it lists one of the tracks as 'A Whore in One.' Is that correct? I wonder because for Optical Race they list the last track as 'Ghtrezi (long song).' Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 211 Re: Dead Solid Perfect question sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Re: what is commercial? (was:'The London Concert' - criticismand other heresies Really-From: feldon@n... >> No, that means using gimmicky dainty instrument sounds and the short >'song' >> style as opposed to the old developing orchestration if you will. TD was >all >> about the composition of the song back in the 70's and early 80's. Now it >> seems like it is based on sounding as modern as possible with heavy drum >> use. Heck, TD barely touched drums in the 70's and 80's and they did >quite >> nicely... >> >> (From a frustrated old-TD lover) > >I absolutely agree with you. >BUT, today you still can make good music also on digital equipment. >Only some of the musicians don't bother to program it correctly. >But then again, nothing like the old Moog and Mellotron. (and about >all of the analog stuff). >One thing still wonders me. I have a very simple monphonic synth >which I bought 2nd hand from somebody for just a fart. >The filter inside is absolutely fantastic. My point is that nowadays >they make special DSP-processors to make filters etc. but they >still sound like shit. Haven't 'they' learned anything? > >Marcel Engels >fsp@p... > Not to double back on myself, but I do listen to Dream Mixes, Rockoon, Miracle Mile, 220 Volt, and Turn of the Tides. But I guess what I'm saying is, Edgar, release some of 'dat Froese/Franke music! Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:55 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC DREAMS BACKWARDS Really-From: Mark Filipak On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:00:03 -0500 (EST) sean wrote: <<<< > Well, I suggest that after the D:Zoning week, we start the discussion > of the backward versions of TD albums :-) Perhaps Destination Berlin, Turn of the Tides and Cyclone were all recorded backwards, concealing the true scope of their awesomeness? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' >>>> Cyclone recorded backwards so that the words would come out forwards. That'd be quite a trick! Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 2:11 am Subject: RE: 'The London Concert' - criticism and other heresies Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Mark Filipak >I'm sorry I forgot Johannes Schmoelling. I find 'Wuivend Riet' to be a >totally honest, spontaneous, and heartfelt work. It's too bad that >almost guarantees commercial oblivion. I originally found this album as a cut-out LP in a used record store (it wasn't opened, though) in 1988 (less than two years after it's release I would guess). Shows just how much good music is appreciated... Between popular music and traffic, I'm really beginning to wonder how much longer civilization is going to last... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 210 Schmoelling in remainders bin - and other heresie sean Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 2:44 pm Subject: Haslinger: 'Tycho Brahe' Really-From: Mark Filipak On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:51:50 -0500 (EST) Gabe Yedid wrote: <<<< > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > My general reaction is that though Edgar has been roundly > > criticized for going commercial, I think the people who left TD > > have gone more commercial than Edgar ever has. Also, I think > > that Tangerine Dream is and always has been Edgar's band and > > that it continues to retain the essence of the Dream, even > > today. -snip- As Paul Haslinger, he will probably keep on the global/ethnic path. He has other projects, though, like Coma Virus, where he'll explore different facets of his musical personality (e.g. the 'Lightwave' style). > Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer Gabe >>>> I bought Lightwave's 'Tycho Brahe' for Marshall Wood and decided that before I send it, I should listen to it and make sure it's okay -- so I did. (Now I wish I could keep it.) What a wonderful album. It blew me away. Now I'm going to be looking for one for me! I'll try to describe it. 'Tycho Brahe' is very spacey; with long ambient synth drones and many intreguing and surprising sounds that rise up in happy clusters from time to time only to die off gradually. Sometimes these sounds are tinkely, sometimes rough, sometimes a violin, sometimes a growl, but always subdued and somehow appropriate; and with lots of what Marcel would call interesting spaces around the music. And music it is -- recognizably so -- but abstract -- just at that very engaging boundary between recognition and random sounds, like some of Eno's ambient series. I worked to this music for several hours and never found any of it either overly demanding or boring. I highly recommend it. And obviously, it is about as non-commercial as it could be. Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: RE: Schmoelling, TDI, etc Really-From: 'Whitton, Edward EJ' That's odd as I found it in HMV. I didn't think it was an import. I'll check when I get home.... TED ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ted Whitton - Senior Information Systems Office Development Team - Kent Fire Brigade Headquarters Tovil, Maidstone, Kent. ME15 6XB. England E-Mail: ted.whitton@k... Tel: +44 1622 698243 FAX: +44 1622 698240 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 14, 1997 11:13 pm Subject: Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Phil, I believe the context here was 'Ages.' I don't think it was ever released as a CD. I would like to find a good quality LP and digitize it, clean it, equalize it, and master it to CDR. Know anybody who'd be up for that and has the LP? Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 213 Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Qar@a... Wed 1/15/1997 2 KB 226 Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' PNaunton@a... Thu 1/16/1997 2 KB 2029 Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' klaatu@p... Sat 3/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Schmoelling in remainders bin - and other heresies Really-From: sean > I originally found this album as a cut-out LP in a used record > store (it wasn't opened, though) That's how I got my copy too! I paid 5 dollars for it ($3.50 American!) I almost felt guilty. I take it that Wuivend Reit was deleted by the record company then? What a shame. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Dead Solid Perfect question Really-From: sean > I was looking in the 'Great Rock Discography' today, reading up on our > favorite band, and noticed that in the track listing for 'Dead Solid > Perfect,' it lists one of the tracks as 'A Whore in One.' Is that > correct? It is, sad to say, correct. DSP has some of TDs more embarrasing song titles (My Name is Bad Hair, Golfus Interruptus), names which the band could not possibly have come up with themselves. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 5:15 am Subject: tadream digest Really-From: CPhill3585@a... unsubscribe tadream CPhill3585@a... subscribe tadream-digest CPhill3586@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 3:43 am Subject: Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Really-From: Qar@a... Please please please please take my address off your system. Thanks, Pat From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 15, 1997 7:53 pm Subject: Brain/Ohr article from Progression magazine (long) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' This is an article that was featured in Progression magazine a few months ago. It discusses the history of Brain and Ohr records. It is reprinted here by kind permission of the author. ACROSS THE CHANNEL by Allen Gunnison This installment of 'Across the Channel' will look into the world of progressive rock record labels from Europe. There have been a host of more or less independent labels that have cropped up over the last 25 years with the most intriguing country being West Germany. It spawned some of the most interesting labels. The seventies were a kinder and gentler decade for music in general and progressive rock in particular. The development of AOR (album oriented rock) radio allowed for great diversity of musical styles. AOR evolved from the underground radio of the late sixties. The progressive era began as the psychedelic era died. Top 40 was a dirty word and radio programmers were ready and willing to experiment with a wider variety of music. 'Rolling Stone' magazine had not yet declared progressive rock an inappropriate form of rock music. It usually started on the overnight shift, where DJs were free from time and commercial restraints. Radio stations routinely played extended tracks, since the rush for profit wasn't as poweful as it is today. Moreover, the long running times of the cuts gave the overnight disc jockey's a running shot at the bathroom. It may be difficult to imagine in the grunge plagued world of the mid-1990s, but the original 'alternative rock' was progressive rock. It was alternative to the mainstream which 25 years ago was the three minute Top 40 song. I was part of an early experiment in college radio at Kent State University. WKSU-FM started 'Fresh Air.' It ran seven days a week from 11:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. The playlist was a pantheon of progressive rock with King Crimson, Genesis and Van Der Graaf Generator the norm and not the exception. '70s rock bands from any genre didn't need hit singles to succeed. Led Zeppelin had only one top ten single ('Whole Lotta Love') and no rock band was more successful than Zeppelin in the '70s or any decade. Many of the major record labels jumped into the deep end head first. They signed all types of artists and success came from some unlikely places. 20 years ago a record label was needed for any band to succeed. The goal of any band was to get signed. The cost of making vinyl records really prohibited bands from developing their own careers. The few independent labels that did exist had a magical quality. The three German labels, Brain, Ohr and Kosmische Musik, were the most visable. They all had some association with Metronome GmbH. Metronome was a full service label based in Hamburg with all types of music from classical to German pop. Metronome has been purchased by an international conglomerate and no longer exists. Brain was the biggest of the three and a direct subsidiary of Metronome. There were more than 100 releases on Brain. The label was not exclusively for progressive bands, but even the more mainstream bands had a bizarre quality to them. Most of the albums were from German artist, but they also released German pressings of bands like Caravan and Greenslade. All the albums featured that unique Brain logo (see figure 1) where the word 'Brain' became the brain on the label. The earlier releases, up to about #1060, the logo was Brain with Metronome just below (see figure 2). Some people think that these albums had better pressings and increased fidelity. It is difficult to say because all the Brain albums featured almost immaculate vinyl. The first release was 'Lonesome Crow' by the Scorpions #1001. I've never seen a Brain copy of this album. It was released on Billingsgate in the States and later reissued on another Metronome label by the mid-seventies. Second was Jane's 'Together' and there are other notable albums from the first 10 releases including the work of Neu, Cluster, Guru Guru and Grobschnitt. The first Grobschnitt #1008 from 1972 was more psych than progressive, but hinted at better things to come. The first 10 releases provide plenty of electronic and psychedelic madness. The next 10 catalog numbers from 1011 to 1020 include some of the rarest on the Brain label. Gash, 'A Young Man's Gash' #1014 was extremely difficult to track down and a lost classic with extraordinary cover art from P.V. Spreckelsen. Os Mundi, '43 Minuten' #1015 is an album that's music almost defies description. Creative Rock 'Gorilla' #1017 is fairly middle of the road rock. The first Thirsty Moon #1021 from 1972 remains one of the great albums from the jazz-rock genre. This seven man operation from Berman could share the stage with any band in Europe. It had just about two of everything -- keyboards, guitars and brothers. The cover art of Gil Funcius defined the whole concept of cover art. As far as I know, this album has not been reissued on CD. Novalis' 'Banished Bridge' #1029 was their first and only one with English language vocals. Curly Curve #1040 was one of those hard to define album's. It was primarily hard rock, but with something extra. Thirsty Moon 'You'll Never Come Back' #1041 was their last great album and the last one with a seven man line-up. Like the first it features great cover art by Gil Funcius. The only Brain release for Satin Whale 'Desert Places' #1049 and displayed their unique sound that mixed a little more rock than jazz. Edgar Froese's first solo project 'Aqua' came out on #1053 while Klaus Schulze's first album on the Brain label was 'Blackdance' #1051. Froese and Schulze were and still are two of the heavy-hitters in the world of synthesizer music that was once called space music. Unfortunately, they got lumped into the world of 'sewage' (new age if you want to be precise). 'Ballerman' #2/1050 was the first of the true classic albums from Grobschnitt. This double LP has one album just for the studio version of 'Solar Music.' The photographs of the band on the cover give a hint to the insanity that was yet to come. Brain release two versions of 'Jumbo' #1076 was the English language album and #1081 was in German. The German pressing had a black cover and was rarely imported. Novalis released their second album as Brain #1070. It was their only album with guitarist Carlos Kargas. They also began the exclusive use of German vocals. Thirsty Moon trimmed its roster to a quartet for 'Blitz.' Unfortunately, they trimmed out most of the talent. This instrumental album is filled with fairly ordinary funky jazz-rock. Brain changed their numbering system after #2/1091 'Brain: History of German Rock.' It was about this time that some of the magic came out of the label the first 90 releases were special. Metronome switched the numbering system to a 60 prefix for